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Tiverton Budget #1 Passes By 165 Votes

The town had an approximate 25 percent turnout.

After a day with already , the results are in for the financial town referendum and Tiverton voters chose the Budget Committee's proposal by 165 votes.

As of 9 p.m., Budget #1 received 1,493 votes and Budget #2 received 1,332 votes. The approved fiscal 2012-13 budget raises the tax levy by 2.6 percent and the tax rate is $18.90.

Town Clerk Nancy Mello said there were 2,951 ballots cast out of 11,575 active voters, which is an approximate 25 percent turnout. She said there were about 100 voters who did not vote on either budget proposal but voted on the resolutions.

To get a sense of the turnout compared to the financial town meetings of the past, Mello said the contentious 2010 FTM had 1,026 voters turnout on the first attempt, and 1,354 the second time. And some years, Mello added, she'd be on her cell phone trying to get enough voters to show up to the gymnasium to make the 301-person quorum.

Resolution #1 Accept 2,393 Reject 330 Resolution #2 Accept 2,314 Reject 398 Resolution #3 Accept 2,305 Reject 365 Resolution #4 Accept 1,653 Reject 1,030 Resolution #5 Accept 2,036 Reject 728

(Editor's Note: The Town Clerk's Office still needs to review the totals from voided ballots Wednesday morning. The property tax rate will also not finalized for about a week or so since the town wide revaluation is still being completed, according to the Tax Assessor's Office.)

Post updated 1 p.m., May 16.

Brian Medeiros May 22, 2012 at 02:42 AM
Ruth: For your own sake, try to have at least a small clue about something before you speak. I was the number one advocate in Tiverton to replace the FTM since 2004. I WROTE the initial FTR plan, & co-chaired the committee that produced it. I'm glad the FTM has been replaced, & the FTR worked fine this year. But this reminds me of when I started advocating replacing the FTM, warning that it was a disaster waiting to happen. We had smooth FTM's for several years, & then things fell apart just as I'd predicted. This was a simple FTR year, with just two budgets. Unless the flaws are fixed (including preventing 2 members of the Council from veto-ing the FTR voters decisions in years when the tax-cap is an issue, unlike this year), you can be sure there will be major problems in years to come. And unlike Mr. Lambert alleged in the Daily News, there is NO ONE advocating a return to the FTM. But for TCC to be raising the "mission accomplished" banner after just one year is as short-sighted as the TCC budget proposal was. BTW: you "will be in the history books" for your involvement in the FTM-CAC? It's a good thing you've managed to maintain your perspective. And while voters may have approved the FTR, the FTR results seem to show that most apparently didn't do it out of the same anti-tax, anti-school fervor as those who wrote it, in the hope of it being Mr Nelson's "prize". Karma's funny like that.
Ryanthegirl May 22, 2012 at 03:28 AM
First, My husband and I are both private school kids and for very different reasons. I did and still do have 4 learning disabilities and my husband was gifted and talented in Tiverton public schools. We were truly one extreme to the other which is why we CHOOSE to send our children to public schools. We both feel that we missed out on so much within our own communities and I believe that private school kids that play any sport in town (mine play 5 sports) feel left out and intern get their peacock feathers up because they feel left out. Second, the majority of kids we know who graduated from our different private schools, are less successful then our public school piers. Third, when it comes to teachers, hands down public school teachers win for me… I never had a New Hampton, Stang or Connolly teacher offer to stay after school to help me…except Mr. Waters for Chemistry. The irony here my husband had a baseball scholarship even with his above well average g.p.a, why because he was in private school and not public…go figure!
Howard Johnson May 22, 2012 at 04:12 AM
I planted a garden one year, making me an expert on all things agricultural, particularly matters of policy. I can color between the lines, so you may call me by my new nickname: Pablo Picaso. My shoes come from China, so I expect an Ambassadorial appointment to Peking regardless of who is elected President in November. I once had a business delivering newspapers, so I'm a job creating small businessman suffering under the thumb of Socialists.
Renee Cwiek May 22, 2012 at 10:27 AM
Ruth! You could tell all that about me from that one little sentence? Really? I'm impressed. Most people just would have assumed I was tired of having my email flooded by your continuous posts on a topic that pretty much died out a couple of days ago. YOU'RE WELCOME RUTH!
Edward Davis May 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Justin, I have few comments, but I need to divide it up. I was not compaining about what I got paid. I get paid well for what I do. But if I can go somewhere and get more, I'll do it. My kids at home come first. I'm a parent first. As far as Durfee and the clientele, I have thrown one student out of my class in two years, that’s it. Kids are kids. The students in an urban setting can be challenging, but to be honest, my new job is easier.. THE MAIN REASON IS I DON”T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS STUFF! If what I say offends people, I am sorry. But the fact is teaching in Tiverton is basically working in a hostile environment. The staff, kids and parents are all GREAT! the rest of the environment: Not so great! How much time did our teachers spend fighting for this budget? At my new job, my time out of classroom is spent making myself a better teacher; not fighting the people in my district. So don’t imply working in FR is harder because the kids are from the city, your wrong. That’s one factor.
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Joe, as a member of the Budget Committee you know that the salary line item in the School Department's Budget shows a decrease. The cost per pupil will increase as the districts costs for doing business increase i.e. special education costs and retirement benefits. You know this so why are reverting back to your former self?
Justin Katz May 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM
This point is well taken, but it seems to me your bargaining unit could have taken the possibility into consideration back when the tax levy was doubling over a decade and you were making plans to picket a school committee's workplace (a hospital). Don't pretend to be doe-eyed passive participants in the creation of that hostile environment. You can't have pictures of NEA exec. Pat Crowley giving the finger to the administration and then complain about the town's political relationship with its teachers. Regarding which, I agree, the political environment in town does need to change. That was one of the motives behind the FTR, and it will be one of the motives behind structural reforms of town government going forward. (Although, I expect the school department and union to fight every step of the way.)
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Justin, now that you are an expert regarding the education, can you please provide readers with some examples of "structural reforms" that are being considered.
Justin Katz May 22, 2012 at 01:06 PM
Never claimed to be an expert, Anonymous Taxpayer who won't even put a name to his/her own commentary. As for the reforms, well, in the age of the Internet, we could all use a little more experience with anticipation.
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 01:21 PM
Justin, as a card carrying member of the TCC, I am not surprised that you will not tell everyone what other "reforms" are in the works. So much for transparency.
Justin Katz May 22, 2012 at 01:30 PM
I really have to marvel that you think so little of your fellow Tiverton residents that you believe such cheap debating points to be useful. (If I were writing such comments as yours, I suspect I'd want to be anonymous, too!) Just like the FTR, no policy proposal in which I'm involved will be sprung upon the public without opportunity for review and debate. (And I should note that I don't deserve all that much credit, personally, for the FTR.) Transparency doesn't mean that people who use their names in public debate have to put every idea they have online so that anonymous jackals can scheme and distort the debate accordingly in advance.
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 02:05 PM
Justin, what do you deem "cheap debating" points? I never associated you with the FTR. You are the one who stated other "reforms" are in the works. If you are unwilling to discuss these "reforms" then you should not have brought it up. It sounds to me that you are denying your support of the TCC and its leadership? Finally, by trying to discredit my comments by referring to me as an "anonymous jackals" is right of the TCC Playbook. I expect no less from someone like yourself.
Justin Katz May 22, 2012 at 02:09 PM
Hey, you want credibility, use your name. You've already drawn me too far into the mud in the midst of some otherwise very productive conversations with folks who are willing to identify themselves. Enjoy your day.
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 02:25 PM
Justin, I am not seeking "credibility" from you, far from it. You made a statement regarding "reforms" that were being considered. Your credibility is damaged when you can't back up something you said. Again, I am not surprised by this. You behave like your fellow TCCer's when asked a direct question, you try to avoid answering it. Regarding using a pen name on this blog, I thought you supported the campaign for the FTR which retained voter anonymity. Now you want to know who your critics are? You are hypocrite!
Dan D May 22, 2012 at 02:33 PM
Justin, continuing to press for people to "out" themselves is ridiculous. You claim that there is no threat by doing so, yet, I personally have been threatened with physical violence not once, but TWICE by TCC members simply for disagreeing with them. I will never reveal my full name. And shame on you for trying to out people so your clan can stalk them.
Jim L May 22, 2012 at 03:57 PM
in america you get to face you accuser! something you seem to want to avoid by remaining hidden
Dan D May 22, 2012 at 04:33 PM
in a court of law, yes, in a situation where you can threaten, stalk, and potentially harm your "accuser" - no, you do not, especially when several of your members are gun owners.
Tom May 22, 2012 at 04:34 PM
Hey Lipe, That's in a court of law when you're accused of something. This is a blog where people can post their opinions. I'll get back to everyone in a minute I just spilled a 'gansett on the dog and I need to go let him out to wash off in the rain.
Ron Potvin May 22, 2012 at 04:35 PM
Fort Barton School was ranked second overall for NECAP scores in RI, and first in reading. THS's musicians swept a national field in three different categories in Williamsburg, VA. THS ranked in the top 1/3 of RI high schools according to a report in the Providence Journal. One of our young artists has been a finalist for two years running in a national contest sponsored by Google. All THS seniors must provide service to the community as a graduation requirement. Complaining about taxes is an American tradition, but it's time we start acknowledging the contributions of Tiverton students and the value of the education that they receive.
otherside May 22, 2012 at 05:17 PM
i would like to thank tom for adding nothing of use to anything on here
Just Another Taxpayer May 22, 2012 at 05:37 PM
The Sixth Amendment applies to this nation's legal system and has nothing to do with this blog.
Brian Medeiros May 22, 2012 at 05:51 PM
Justin: Your comments demonstrate the difference in approaches in Tiverton. About 5 years ago, when NEA announced plans to picket the work places of School Cmte members during an impasse in negotiations, many felt it crossed the line. The difference is that I and many others did something about it. As a Councilor, I wrote & the Council unanimously approved a resolution condemning such tactics & supporting the School Cmte. Many parents, citizens, & even teachers were critical in letting NEA know this would be counterproductive. The pickets never happened, & NEA stepped back from this type of tactic. Contrast that to you & TCC, who simply exploit negative feelings to promote your anti-public-school, anti-teacher, anti-union agenda. It's worth noting that after prolonged disagreement, NEA & the SC ended up with a contract that included concessions to contain costs. Even TCC had trouble finding fault with it. But that won't stop some from trying to instigate hostilities, & try to divide the town further in order to push a political agenda. You should explain how your dream of declaring war on unions & refusing to negotiate in good faith & unilaterally imposing contracts will help anyone but you. It certainly won't help students, teachers & parents who must operate in a bitter environment. And taxpayers won't benefit; the court costs will exceed any savings, as this TCC Council showed by wasting over $80,000 trying to take money from the schools, in defiance of the state.
Joe Sousa. May 22, 2012 at 08:39 PM
Dan D, Your comedy is too funny. Just Another Taxpayer same old Shillyness. For years members of the legislature have tried to put reforms in only to be blocked by the leadership. Till we change our liberal ways there will be angry taxpayers, and anonymous posters to degrade the proposals and the people who propose it.
Edward Davis May 22, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Justin, as far as private schools, I agree that private schools have some advantages. But, looking at the broad spectrum, I do not think you are comparing apples to apples. I have two family members that left TPS to work in private schools. It is a less stressful environment. One of my relatives works in a school where the class size is twelve to fifteen students. That equals a lot less correcting/planning etc. What’s the class size in a public school? Not fifteen! Disruptive kids and chronic discipline problems are told to leave. Public schools have no such luxury. In RI, if you expel a student it counts as a drop out and you’re hammered for a low graduation rate. If you suspend too many students, the RI DOE reprimands you for having a high suspension rate. Yet the state tells the districts to hold your students accountable. (Yes, Joe has a point with the state’s role in this mess.) Also, I cannot think of one charter school or private school that chooses to participate in the state’s standardized test. This lightens the workload. One thing I did notice at the faculty social events: many of the teachers who work at this private school, have spouses that make six figures. Their pay is not a critical factor in how well they support their family. I am sure not everyone fits that profile, but I think it factors into the diffences in work climate/pay! Brian, thanks for the refresh on the picketing!
otherside May 22, 2012 at 09:24 PM
So where does the dump moey go now< how much will my taxes go up for the teacher raises next year? will we have to close a school to pay them? Lets try this, since step increases come for just showing up, (and thats a raise) how about olny the teacher on the top step get raises then taxpayers don't get a double whammy, and Brian thank you for ALL ALONE saving us all, like the names you use for the TCC on your curb blob written to yourself
Dan D May 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM
the really funny thing is, Joe, is that I am not a liberal. The libertarians shun me because I am too conservative. Go figure.
Brian Medeiros May 22, 2012 at 11:54 PM
Otherside: I don't speak gibberish, but as much as I can translate this random assortment of words, you see (state-mandated) step increases as the root cuase of all your problems. How many step raises do you think we could have afforded with the $80,000-plus our TCC-led Council wasted in their failed lawsuit to take money from the schools that the state said was legally theirs? Seems like your hostility is aimed at the wrong target. No idea what "like the names you use for the TCC on your curb blob written to yourself" means, but if you want to decode it, I'd be glad to respond to whatever bizarre thing you seem to be accusing me of.
otherside May 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Does goverment have the right to take for itself the rights reserved in the charter? That is a question You asked brian in your attack against the FTR , you know Save your vote? by giving it up to the FTM/ the FTR has given a true voice to all taxpayers and if anyone reads your curb rants thats plain, I,I,I, did this did that, 80,000 dollars would that be like the 80,000 dollars one of your buddies complainted about the town spent for raise's for 10 folk? Any one wishing to see your true cards has only to read your curb blogs Your formula is very simple, your with brian and his small little cult or you don't count, that the way you treat folks, To be against a taxhike is anti education , guess you do ok, i myself having read you on here for awhile now think your just feeding your own ego, admiring your own words,why did you want 35 rejected? it protected the taxpayers bet you don't answer that, just gonna spout off about what you did when
Brian Medeiros May 23, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Jim, is that you? Or is "otherside" one of these multiple-personality screen names? "otherside" refers to himself as "Mr Lipe" in a comment on another article. Jim, please clarify if this is you.
Brian Medeiros May 23, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Sure sounds like Jim. Any way, "otherside", I opposed this particular politically-driven FTR plan, not the concept of an FTR, given that I helped write the first FTR proposal, before it was turned into Mr Nelson's "prize". No one supported keeping the FTM; we just didn't want an equally-flawed system to replace it. And if it's not fixed, everyone will understand that while it works fine in a simple two-budget year with no cap issues, it's a potential disaster when there are multiple budgets or cap issues. I respect those who express their views & goals honestly & use facts to back them up, even if I disagree with them. You just keep spewing rambling accusations without facts. And again I say, if you have any facts or reason to offer, do so. But trying to decode these tirades & respond is a waste of time.

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