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The Sunday Political Brunch – August 12, 2012


Well, all the speculation ends; and now the campaign begins in earnest. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) is the vice presidential running mate of Mitt Romney. To me, it was a surprise pick and a gamble that has some upsides and downsides. Let’s take a look:

The Good – The choice of Ryan completely focuses the race on the economy. Whether or not you agree with Ryan’s budget ideas, the budget is his area of expertise and has earned him some notoriety. The debate will be about the economy, the economy and the economy. Focusing on that is really the only way the Romney-Ryan ticket can win. This race isn’t going to be about foreign affairs (unless there is a sudden crisis); and this race isn’t going to be about gay marriage, abortion, or Romney’s tax returns.

The Bad – A lot of Ryan’s budget expertise is not material that translates well into television sound bites or bumper stickers. When you start talking about actuarial projections of life spans and entitlement payout estimates to retirees in the fiscal year 2035, people’s eyes can glaze over. The Republicans need to come up with a line that sums up their positions and is memorable. In 1980 Ronald Reagan won, in large part, by asking people a simple question: “Are you better off today than you were four years ago?” Romney-Ryan needs a memorable slogan. “America’s Comeback Team” sounds good while the Olympics are in progress, but I think the Romney-Ryan team needs something stronger going into the fall campaign.

The Ugly – The biggest gamble about picking Paul Ryan is the potential impact on the Electoral College map. Right now the latest Real Clear Politics estimate gives President Obama 237 Electoral votes and Governor Romney 191. The remaining 110 are listed as toss-ups. A candidate needs 270 votes to win the White House. Ryan will have strong appeal in the toss-up Midwest states of Wisconsin, Iowa and Ohio. Assuming they carry all three, the Republicans' Electoral College total bumps up to 235. Add Florida (29) and Nevada (6), and the GOP gets to the magic 270. It’s a tough road ahead.

Why Not Marco Rubio? – All candidates do internal polling, and I suspect that sunk Rubio. He probably could have helped Romney carry Florida, but that may have been it. While Rubio, a Cuban-American, polled well among his own Hispanic voting block, there was scant evidence that he might pull in enough Hispanics of Mexican decent in places such as New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada. In fact, New Mexico is looking strong for Obama-Biden, while Nevada and Colorado are too close to call based on the latest polls. (By the way, about six weeks ago, I predicted Rubio would get the VP nod; I was wrong! A lot of my politico colleagues don’t readily admit their mistakes, but I want this weekly column to be on the level with its readers.)

Why Not Rob Portman? – Ohio Senator Rob Portman had a problem similar to Rubio's. Yes, he could help the ticket win his home state; but he showed insignificant voter appeal elsewhere. Plus, Portman was President George W. Bush’s Budget Director for a time. The strong link to the second Bush administration and its economic policies would have made Portman a potential piñata for Democrats.

The Gamble – Three weeks ago, a CBS News poll put Romney in the lead nationally by one percentage point. This past week, Obama was back up by seven points according to the latest ABC News poll. More troubling for Romney is that Obama leads the polls in ten out of twelve battleground states, though some of the margins are close. This probably explains why Romney took a gamble on Ryan. In short, Ryan helps him in the greatest number of states.

The VP Map – The last time a vice presidential running mate helped decide the outcome of a presidential campaign was 1960, when Lyndon Johnson  helped carry Texas and a few other Southern states. Without them, John Kennedy would have lost. So, Paul Ryan has a tall order ahead of him. He must bring a number of states to the GOP ticket, including his home state  of Wisconsin.

The History – Republicans who are despairing over the latest poll numbers might take heart in knowing that the 1980 presidential race between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan did not turn to Reagan’s favor until mid-September. The 1980 and 2012 races have many parallels, including the dire state of the economy. With a roll of the dice, this year’s race is still very much up for grabs.

As always, your thoughts are welcome. Just click the comment button at www.MarkCurtisMedia.com

(c) 2012, MarkCurtisMedia, LLC

Nard Glimrod

10:40 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Mitt looks about as comfortable, free-flowing, and natural as a Secret Service Agent in that photo.

I wanna have a beer with that guy!

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Joe Sousa.

5:55 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Send those emails to Whitehouse Reed and Cicilline
I sent this Email out to our congressional leaders . Send that email now and we have a chance to stop this.
The transfer of the bridges requires Federal approval . We need you to step in to stop this transfer. The Federal Highway Admin. has the application . We need action fast to stop this from happening. This will hurt businesses on and off the island. It's not to late to stop this plan and save our businesses .
Joe Sousa.

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Manifold Witness

12:32 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Okay…. so now we're analyzing proposed standards for a Presidential choice:

1. Free-flowing. (As in ...a one-note Al Green song that’s obviously been rehearsed a hundred times.)

2. Natural. (As in ... the guy’s a chameleon depending upon his audience.)

3. Beer-thirsty. (As in... good-time beer-drinking instills confidence in the ability to ...uh....uh....)

Not sure where those 3 proposed standards have gotten us so far, though.

Hey, maybe we could use a guy

who appears to be a little worried

about the state of the economy.

Maybe it’s an indication that he understands the issues.

And maybe an indication that he’d rather work

than drink beer

is not such a bad thing

right about now.

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Fred 'n Freeda

10:38 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Here's the Romney-Ryan Plan:
1. Tax poor & working people but not the rich;
2. Encourage wages in the U.S. to fall to third world levels;
3. Pass trade laws that make it easy for companies to send jobs overseas;
4. Pass laws that enable only insurance companies to control who gets health care (including seniors) and who doesn't;
5. Replace public education with out of pocket private schools and home schooling;
6. Refuse to invest in crumbling public infrastructure such as highways, bridges, and sewer systems;
7. Environmental Policy: Pass laws and weaken regulations that enable companies to pollute the environment;
8. Pass laws that enable gas and oil production and prices to be controlled by a few large companies; Make sure that there is no longer any research or work on alternative energy sources; Keep defense spending high to protect non domestic oil production;
9. Repress rights for women and minorities and repress voting participation;
10. Divide the American people on cultural issues (religion, sexual orientation, gun rights, etc);
11. Instill fear in the American public through manufactured crises and created "boogeymen". Then attack political opponents by claiming to be more "patriotic" and the better keeper of "American Values" than they.
12. Make it impossible for literally millions of ELIGIBLE voters to cast their ballots, which is flagrant vote tampering and corruption.
Can YOU afford to vote for these guys? I can't. I'M A WORKING MOTHER.

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Dr. John

11:39 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Hey,
What do you know. This is a liberal troll poster. This same comment was posted 18 times in at least 8 states. Please take the Soro's money you are earning to post your robo-comments and buy all of the medication your doctor reccomends. When you skip doses or medications it seems you enter an alternate reality world. Just my advice.

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Rose

1:05 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Right on, Fred n Freda. Who cares how many times this has been posted anywhere, "DR" John? It is the truth. Republicans care only about the wealthy generating more wealth while they take away the social safety nets and work to destroy public education. These are facts. Elect them and watch this country's downfall.

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Lynn

7:51 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Seriously...another Obamabot...talking trash, nonsense and crap. Get off and Dr. John is right...this was posted in so many places all over the internet, so you are nothing but a liberal troll!

Andy B

11:15 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

The above comment illustrates the liberal mindset. We conservatives see them as wrong (and perhaps childish); they see us as EVIL!

I see F and F as silly, too.

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Naome Lixes

11:43 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Not EVIL, short-sighted and destructive perhaps, but not evil.

EVIL implies intent. What we in the loyal opposition see is the opposite of intention.
It's more like a toddler using the communal sandbox as a personal toilet.

Your side of the fence is quite willing to typify the opposition as such...
http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/john-the-dense

Plenty of that to go around, for all the good it does anyone.

Maybe we wouldn't attack so much if your point of view demonstrated any of the actual precepts of a "Christian Nation" - you know, the stuff espoused by the founder of the movement? Perhaps you've just spelt it wrong -
what we see is VILE.

Andy B

11:18 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

2. Encourage wages in the U.S. to fall to third world levels;
3. Pass trade laws that make it easy for companies to send jobs overseas;

Why would they need to send jobs overseas if wages are at 3rd World levels?

5. Replace public education with out of pocket private schools and home schooling;

What dumb Republicans. Why would they change the way our schools are run? (said the parent who had to move to NK so his kids wouldn't have to attend Rogers)

10. Divide the American people on cultural issues (religion, sexual orientation, gun rights, etc);

You sure you're not talking about Obama?

12. Make it impossible for literally millions of ELIGIBLE voters to cast their ballots, which is flagrant vote tampering and corruption.

Who is fighting tooth and nail against voter ID laws so that the dead and ineligible can vote Democrat?

I'm astounded at how many idiotic ideas a liberal can hold at once. You're not a teacher at Rogers, by any chance, are you?

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Cranston Resident

11:33 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Are we better off today than we were four years ago?

After spending trillions of $ of our money, our economy has not improved and unemployment is still high.

O'Bama's policies are a colossal failure.

I voted for him the last time. I will not make that mistake again.

O'Bama has to go.

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Rose

1:49 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

From my humble perspective, this country is in a much much better place than it was 4 years ago! We have a badly needed national health care plan in place which may need some tweaking but it's a good start, the auto industries have been saved along with Wall St and the banks and all are doing well, bin Laden is dead with very little fanfare and retaliation (because it was handled so perfectly and discreetly by our sensible president), the stimulus plan helped put us back on track and employment is picking up (and certainly not getting worse). We finally have an equal pay law for women and I am happy knowing that my president will work to preserve medicare and social security and public education which are so important for our futures. Obama accomplished all this with a congress that opposed his every move. Just imagine how much more could have been accomplished if both parties worked together. Really, do all you Repubs have inherited wealth and health care for all your family members? Do you really want to destroy public education when any fool can see the failing schools are all in impoverished areas? I really do not know what planet you are living on. In addition, lies and doubletalk are all that comes out of Romney's mouth. Who could possibly trust him? And Andy B, do you really believe that the Democrats want to ensure that dead people can vote? They just want to ensure that everyone can vote. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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nurburg

2:39 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

"O'Bama's policies are a colossal failure." I bold and broad statement with absolutely nothing to back it up. Standard rhetoric.

Naome Lixes

11:37 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

"Who is fighting tooth and nail against voter ID laws so that the dead and ineligible can vote Democrat?" this is a myth.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

Conservatives, saving us from non-existent threats since McCarthy.

I'm astounded at how many outrageous lies a neoconservative can swill.
You're not a KKK member by any chance, are you?

Anyone that's encouraging tolerance cannot be accused of divisive actions.
You're yearning for an America that never was, Andy B.

Guess what - the future doesn't look like us, either.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2010/05/09-demographics-katz

The ONLY way out of this is to provide the widest possible spread in the population with the tools to succeed in a marketplace dominated by a race to the bottom on wages - both skills and protections need to be raised.

Like Germany has done. That takes planning - which your Agender friends oppose
as a Socialist threat to liberty. Insurrection is a more likely threat.

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Andy B

11:59 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I love it! Naomi, you fall straight into the "conservatives are evil" meme. Right after I pointed it out, too.

And in accusing me of racism, you imply that black people somehow can't get IDs. Why would that be, Naomi? One of the things that drove me from your side of the argument was the implied racism in so many liberal policies--such as affirmative action--that seem to say to blacks, "You're not smart enough, we'll help you." I believe blacks are smart enough to make it on their own in this country. By your words, I guess you don't, Naomi.

As I said, liberals are silly...well some are, anyway.

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Andy B

2:07 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

No Rose, I think that Dems want no IDs so that people who aren't citizens can vote.
Bin Laden handled perfectly by your messiah? he leaked sensitive intelligence so he could get full credit. One of the guys in Pakistan who was instrumental in finding OBL is now in jail there. Obama had both houses in his court his first two years in office he got everything he wanted.
Unemployment down? What planet are YOU living on. take RI; unemployment is down from 10.9% to 10.8%, yet 80 fewer people are in the workforce. How does that happen?
Auto industries saved? GM's stock is down 50% and we, the taxpayers are on the hook for an extra $26 billion because we own so much stock. the bailout went straight to the unions and guess what? GM is on track for bankruptcy again.

Rose, I think you will find most republicans want government to get out of the way so we can continue to built our small businesses. I'll illustrate my last point:
I had an employee. I paid him $18/hr. It cost me $24/hour to employ him. He took home $12/hr. If I paid him $12/hr under the table, I would be way ahead. And he would be grateful to take home the same money he did before I had to lay him off. See what high taxes do? See why I'm fighting against Obama...and why I'm not hiring and nor are other small businesses?

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Rose

2:56 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Taxes give us our roads, bridges, tunnels, firefighters and teachers and a whole a lot more. (and now health care) We should ALL be happy to pay them.

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Robert E

4:51 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Andy sense in the past 10 years there have been a total of 10 cases of voter id fruad in the entire country talk about a non issue. this is what fiscal conservative's are wasting taxpayers money on.

Joe Sousa.

3:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I notice that far to many are willing to spend money that their children will have to repay. The deficit spending is wrong on so many levels. SS and Medicare could have been fixed if Congress didn't go on a spending spree. The only answer is the Tea Party . Fiscal conservatives who care about our nations future.

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Naome Lixes

4:55 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

What says the Tea Party about the DoD?

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Social security is self-funded. Debt owed the SSI was incurred to fund other
shortfalls - since Johnson used the "surplus" to fund the Vietnam war.
http://tinyurl.com/cmj4myp What does the Tea Party say about repaying this?

It was repeatedly "borrowed" without the consent of the lenders - confiscation.

What says the Tea Party about reforming Medicare? I doubt the older membership wants to see their benefits cut, although they would probably consider it acceptable to curtail benefits for those of us in our 50's.
http://tinyurl.com/87efmfd

Start talking balanced approaches that slightly raise revenues and gradually decrease expenditures, and we'll consider the proposal.

Spare us the "trickle down" bed time story - stealing from old people paid for it.

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Realistic voter

12:23 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Joe Sousa...The most self-important man alive!!

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mike westman

9:22 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

At the inception the teaparty was a libertarian's wet dream. You fail to see that you have been usurped by big religion and big corporate interests that want to do the exact opposite to the society than it purports itself to do. Blindness seems to be a major tenet and calling card of the poor tpr's

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mike westman

6:25 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

by the way Joe.....I did not complain when my tax and ss dollars went for my parents and to pay off WW 2!!!

Andy B

4:02 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Rose, no one is saying they want to do away with taxes. That's known as a strawman argument. I
f you look at my comment, I said "high taxes." And I gave you an example of why they are bad.

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mike westman

9:24 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Andy...looks like in a few years you will need to get an armed and electrified gate and gatekeeper when the basic infrastructure fails from lack of moola. I hope you can afford it.....keep it up bozo

Naome Lixes

4:33 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

"See what high taxes do? See why I'm fighting against Obama...and why I'm not hiring and nor are other small businesses?"

Obama turned you into a tax cheat? Bullshit.

Tax cheating is at the core of the demand for transparency in Romney's record.
It's the riptide eroding the fabric of America's social contract - everybody pays.

The uproar over TARP coming from the right was based on this, was it not?
The outrage over Welfare is this simple notion - one side pays, the other takes.

Revulsion over this justifies tax cheating? If America's wealthiest are hiding their earnings from tax - won't the rest follow suit? Surely fiscal conservatives would collect all the revenue on the books, or pursue debtors. That's the business
model, is it not?

It's what brought down Greece - http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/07/11/110711ta_talk_surowiecki - we want to hire a poster boy for offshore banks?

It's not evil, it's vile. It's also the core value of secessionist movements.

As to fiscal conservation, I'll believe it when I see BOTH spending cuts (there's plenty of fat in the DoD) and taxes raised to pay for the last two wars.

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-price-of-9-11

I expect this comment will also be flagged off the board, as inappropriate.
(Three so far, today.) Strong conservative positions seem to be indefensible -
so the challenges are shouted out of the discussion. That's Fascist.

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nurburg

9:08 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

It's easier to be loud and stupid than to do any actual research (or use a spell checker and proofread apparently) than making a coherent statement backed with articles, citations, data, etc of any kind.

I'm disturbed by the number of supporters of either side of any issue who actually get offended or indignant when you use citations to back your argument and insist they provide their own.

They hate it when you point out that they're essentially being lazy...

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mike westman

9:26 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

so herr perfessor///// what do you actually have to say?

Andy B

5:06 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Not big on reading comprehension, are you, Naomi? I didn't say I avoid taxes. I said that high taxes incentivize businesses to avoid taxes that way and I gave you an example based on my business.
Perhaps you're a product of the wonderful, union-run Rhode Island schools?

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Rose

5:07 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Like every Republican, Romney wants to protect the rich and preserve every possible tax break and loophole the benefits him and the other robber barons. Their trickle-down philosophy has been refuted repeatedly yet they continue beating the dead horse myth that they are the "job creators." Ordinary Americans with money in their pockets and disposable income create jobs, not the super-rich parasites like Mitt and Ann.

I see no Republican positions offered other than that of the tired rhetoric that, "tax cuts and deregulation" are the answer to the problems with our economy.

It's obvious by now that cutting taxes for the rich did not create jobs. Let's try something else.

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Still Hope

5:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Is that what happened when he was governor? I remember it differently.

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Jack Baillargeron

8:05 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

So rose? Since you like to just blame one arty for things. Lets look at Rhode Island History. 78 Years of total DEM control, are you better off then you were 78 years ago?

If you want to see what DEM policies have ever accomplished, you merely have to look at the state of he RI economy and what kind of accomplishments have happened. Every industry driven out of the State, from Jewelry to Fishing. Worst state to do business in for decades now. Low wage tourism jobs and seasonal jobs. Taxes and education system that is one of the worse in the Country ( 5th highest paid teachers in the nation, 41st in education in the nation) wont even go into the pension and benifits as they are plain and simple taxpayer rape. Last in education in New England.

This is the party you are believing in and want to continue? Frankly I do not care what party gets the people back into control. But in RI, i do know the DEM party is the only party throwing the taxpayers in to the Bay for 78 years now period.

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Jack Baillargeron

8:10 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

To include these facts.

You do know R.I. has one of the highest unemployment rates right?

You do know that R.I. is in the op for population leaving the state right?

You do know R.I. is in fiscal default almost right?

You do know R.I. is one of the worst states to do business right?

You do know that R.I. is in the top 10 for most corrupt sate right?

You do know we have the 5th highest paid teachers in the Country right?

You do know we are 41st in the Country for education right?

You do know the State has been controlled by a super duper democratically majority legislature for over 78 years right?

You do know the Speaker of the house by our State constitution has more power than the governor right.

You do know the Lottery was going to solve al the States property tax problems right?

You do know the State destroyed the Fishing Industry and continues to kick it to this day right?

You do know the State thinks now that Casino's will save the day for taxpayer’s right?

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bigmanny

8:41 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Jack please provide us with some info and fact s about how the state destroyed the fishing industry. It was and is shell disease and the oil spill on Breton Reef that have really hit the lobster industry hard.

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mike westman

9:30 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Poor Jack.....does he realize that the industrial base of RI left long ago ....to Asia and the South? Does he realize that....despite the obvious corruption that we all accept and pay homage to.....the state has done remarkably well in spite of the flight of capital to Asia and Latin America. Tell your buds in the corporate world and banking world to get off their fat a...se s and do something to the host that nurtures you. No place is perfect but I fail to see the Alabama in Rhode Island.

Joe Sousa.

5:08 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

A balanced budget amendment has been needed for decades. Both sides fought it . I can't stand to here the Democrat's did this , the Republican's did that. Both sides ran up $16 trillion in debt and created the problems. If you fight for either party you are part of the problem. We need to change both partys by average people stepping up and taking them back for the good of our country. Big business controls congress and has for years. They pay for tax breaks and Gov. contracts . Our elected officials reap millions with inside info . That's against the law for us but not for them. We have a chance to turn things around with grass roots activism. Cleaning out the rats who feed at the public trough . Join the Tea Party and work to clean up this mess. Keep your party affiliation and work with in the party to ensure we have the best candidates for people to elect.

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mike westman

9:32 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Join the Bull Moose party....at least they have some brains

Joe Sousa.

5:29 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Rose we know how the Democrats create jobs. The Washing post
The era of big government has returned with a vengeance, in the form of the largest federal work force in modern history.

The Obama administration says the government will grow to 2.15 million employees this year, topping 2 million for the first time since President Clinton declared that “the era of big government is over” and joined forces with a Republican-led Congress in the 1990s to pare back the federal work force.

Most of the increases are on the civilian side, which will grow by 153,000 workers, to 1.43 million people, in fiscal 2010.

The expansion could provide more ammunition to those arguing that the government is trying to do too much under President Obama.

Read more: Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million - Washington Times

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Rose

6:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

We could start creating jobs by taking away the across the board tax cuts for the wealthy that Bush gave out and use that money to provide tax breaks for companies that do more hiring and don't outsource jobs. Don't see this in the GOP/TEA PARTY plan.

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Jack Baillargeron

10:54 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I am sure the people that get to claim $800 per child since the Bush cuts went into effect, versus $400 just love you huh.

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mike westman

9:34 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

The old principle of the wealthy class......keep it and get more. Also to borrow a cliche from ol'Marxie.......the means justify the ends..... thus America is faced with narrowminded and greedy right wing pols that are trying to hoodwink us

Joe Sousa.

6:41 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

When you tax the rich they increase prices . Tax corporations more, same effect. Cutting Government spending and paying down the debt is what is needed. Tax less, businesses grow and people have more to spend

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mike westman

9:37 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

I have to admit that your logic sounds good.....on paper...but in the real world there is not one word of actuality that exists in your statements. Government is an integral part of any economy. It should step in when the whitekneed bankers and bottomline corporate managers sit on their fat butts and do nothing. They are the problem.

Andy B

6:42 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

What troubles me these days is the hate from those on the left. I know if I displayed a Hinckley sign or bumper sticker, my property would be vandalized.

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Realistic voter

12:27 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Andy wake up the hate from the right-wing taliban is something the Democrats could never equal!!!

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mike westman

9:38 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Ah...the thin skin of the pubescent right.....whaaah....when you are criticized but if you dish it....you are above it all

Andy B

6:44 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Rose, your envy of those who have more than you is unbecoming. It's their money. Liberals like you seem to believe that 100% of their money is theirs, you just let them keep some of it. They should be thankful and shut up. It doesn't work that way.

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Rose

7:05 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I just think they should be taxed the same rate as I am! That's what is fair and right!

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John ("Anything But Sue")

7:20 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Lets try this. I only suggest this in the hopes to enlighten those who would never otherwise consider this: This is a very well known website the Connects YOU to News Stories around the world. Read some of the Articles and decide for yourself. This website does NOT WRITE stories...it just connects you to them. Try and keep an open mind.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

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Realistic voter

12:28 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

How clever a right-wing website!!

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mike westman

9:39 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Drudge makes Fox look like an ice cream site

Joe Sousa.

7:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Forbes, When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit ExxonMobil in 2011 made $27.3 billion in cash payments for income taxes. Chevron paid $17 billion and ConocoPhillips $10.6 billion. And not only were these the highest amounts in absolute terms, when compared with the rest of the 25 most profitable U.S. companies (see our slideshow for the full rundown of who paid what), the trio also had the highest effective tax rates. Exxon’s tax rate was 42.9%, Chevron’s was 48.3% and Conoco’s was 41.5%. That’s even higher than the 35% U.S. federal statutory rate, which is already the highest tax rate among developed nations.This is related to the presumption that the burden of corporate taxation is borne by fat cats. But that’s not necessarily true,” says Slemrod. Business owners take some of the hit, but “in the longer term the burden gets shifted in the form of lower wages or higher prices.” Such as higher prices at the gas pump.

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Jack Baillargeron

10:42 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

SHHHHHHHHHHH Joe, real facts from a Big Bad rich people company Portfolio, with Billion$ of average people pensions systems and 401Ks invested in it might cause Naome to have a stroke lol.

I suspect "pharmaceutical companies" will be the next target for Naome with their big bad profit margin of 3.27% lol.

Not to mention, have you noticed if you take 3 letter out of (Noame) you get MAO, that great humanitarian of business and people from china lol.

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JackKBIsAJerk

8:18 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

>> Not to mention, have you noticed if you take 3 letter out of (Noame) you
>> get MAO, that great humanitarian of business and people from china lol.

Really Jack? Anagrams? Is suggesting that the letters "MAO" exist within another person's name supposed to prove a point? Or is this just more fodder for you and your sniggering little friends?

Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in "Jack Baillargeron", you can spell "A Garlic Rankle Job"?

Wait, did I just prove a point?

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BristolRI02809

8:32 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

The most incredible thing about Jack's post was that he spelled the name of Chairman Mao correctly!

Can someone please tell Jack about spell check-it's obvious he's never heard of it.

Naome Lixes

8:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Even left-of-center energy activists like Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute, Carl Pope, executive chairman of the Sierra Club, and green energy investor Jeffrey Leonard, chairman of the Global Environment Fund, think the time is ripe to eliminate all energy subsidies in the tax code and let the best fuel win.

This includes bio-ethanol derived from corn. Subsidy for profitable enterprises is unneccessary - the intent of subsidy is to support emergent businesses that
they may pay into the tax rolls at a later date.

The subsidy paid Exxon is effectively public support for a business in need of none.

The Center for Tax justice produced numbers indicating the biggest oil companies
were, in fact, paid to do their business by the US Treasury 2008-2010.
http://tinyurl.com/3wzb2nl

Exxon Mobil paid a negative rate, (-1.4%) over this period.

Is Forbes accounting personal income taxes paid, as well?

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Realistic voter

12:31 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Not to mention, have you noticed if you take 3 letter out of (Noame) you get MAO, that great humanitarian of business and people from china lol.

Funny seems republicans love doing business with the chinese , They can't be all bad huh?

Naome Lixes

8:22 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Part of the accounting sleight of hand is to include the state and federal gas taxes
paid by drivers at the pump, and employee payroll taxes.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2011/05/11/9625/exxon-mobil-dodges-the-tax-man/

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Jack Baillargeron

10:52 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Oh yea no BIAS here lol. Valeri Vasquez Center for American Progress. Seth Hanlon, Director of Fiscal Reform, Daniel J. Weiss, Senior Fellow and Director of Climate Strategy, and Tony Carrk, Policy Analyst at American Progress.

George soros pay you to keep posting this drivel also lol

Joe Sousa.

8:34 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Do you read this trash before you post it ?

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Andy B

8:57 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

If you really meant end subsides
and let the market decide, I'd agree with you.

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Naome Lixes

8:27 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

That's exactly what I mean.

I'm all for incubators - the "spray and pray" method for startups. American engineering universities are ideal recipients for such funding. I'm absolutely opposed to what has become of Ag subsidy, which has set up barriers to competition from Brazilian Ethanol producers.

I favor creating fuels from renewable sources, particularly when we can grow the sources domestically, or better still, use waste products as fuel sources.

The US oil companies are large enough to employ armies of lawyers and lobbyists to bend the law to their interests - distributed power can't generate this sort of influence, that's sort of the argument against Unions in campaigns, is it not?

FWIW - I don't find the Drudge report any more biased than other internet-based
sources, they print what keeps people coming back. Every publisher has some
slant. The real question is do you discount things that disagree with your opinion?

Do you read through the policy points of those that disagree?
I do - that's why Joe's posts are so interesting. I also find the Libertarian stance to be unsupportable and full of logical gaps.

If all citizen's are to be held accountable for their expenditures and required to carry their own weight, then all should use the same accounting methods.

Anyone that remembers Enron, AIG or more recently JP Morgan and their hidden losses should consider the light regulatory environment culpable.

Time to "pay as you throw", Joe.

Jim L

11:04 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Why does Newport Patch censure me on the toll issue, what is the problem?

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BristolRI02809

8:14 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Did anybody watch the national news this morning?-Two more dirtbag republicans in hot water-one congressman for skinny dipping in the sea of Galilee while representing the USA on a government funded fact finding trip, and one neanderthal congressman running for senate saying women do not get pregnant if they are raped. Talk about a couple of lowlifes.

But then again, what do you expect from the republicans, the same group that opposes immigration, women's rights, equal opportunities for gays and lesbians, and wants to do away with medicare and social security.

Stick a fork in the republicans-they're all done!

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Rose

8:55 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

I can only hope and pray that you are right, BristolRI. They want to bring us back to the dark ages while growing their wealth. Let's not forget their obstinate opposition to alternative energy as well as all of the above.

BristolRI02809

9:08 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Rose, if it were up to the republicans/teabaggers, women would not only lose the right to choose when dealing with their bodies, they would lose the right to vote and voice their opinions.

What's next for the republicans/teabaggers?-recognizing the Ku Klux Klan as a recognized political party? Fortunately, intelligent voters realize the republicans/teabaggers are only looking out for the interests of the ultra wealthy.

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Joe Sousa.

9:17 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Yea they gona put yall back in chains !! There you go again Joe

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mike westman

9:44 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Joe ...I like your spirit but when it comes to saying anything except a gripe.....you usually miss the whole point. Think more clearly

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BristolRI02809

10:04 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Hmmmmm.......Joe Sousa speaking about being "put in chains"-how appropriate.

Jeffrey Jeffrey

9:24 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

All you need to know is this when it comes to voting in November: What you know about past Republican philosophy (take care of their own at the expense of everyone else) will me magnified exponentially if Romney-Ryan were to get elected. Thankfully, that is not going to happen.

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Andy B

9:44 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Joe, How can we attempt to reason with the lefties when their default is to accuse us of being racist and greedy, label us with a sex act, state that we want to imprison people for no reason, and then suggest that they will beat us with violence if they can't do it any other way?

The hate coming from the left is somewhat disconcerting. Even those who seem to be arguing in good faith devolve to hating when they start to lose on the issues. And when they get called on it, their cry is "No we're not, you are!"

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mike westman

9:49 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

If you so feel that you are being maligned....then step aside from the mainstream of your political movement and reform......shed the corporate and big religion interests and become a truly populist movement. I would join....

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Naome Lixes

11:47 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

The reason most of us in the loyal opposition are suspicious of the Tea Party is your willingness to rally once a black guy got the top office.

Had this cropped up after the 2000 election - you would be genuinely populist.
If the Tea Party faithful had decried the "Patriot act" as sedition - sure.

If there was a general strike after TARP and Poulson's effigy burning in the street -
I would be a member. When did the Tea Party take off? About the time a black guy got hired for the cleanup crew.

"...their default is to accuse us of being racist and greedy, label us with a sex act, state that we want to imprison people for no reason..." so those are not true?

Plenty of evidence, inferential and direct to make the case that those are true.

"... then suggest that they will beat us with violence if they can't do it any other way?" Umm... liberals weren't suggesting 2nd amendment solutions to unpopular programs, or put crosshairs on their opposition.

http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/sarah-palin-radio-interviews-obamacare-shotgunner-ron-gould-on-az

It's menacing, and intentional. It's Fascist and juvenile - it's degenerate.
You're confusing disgust with hatred.

We're also embarrassed when our support of public schools turn out writers that can't figure out the instructions to escape a wet paper sack.

Andy B

11:17 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

That's why I support the Tea Party. I was even more disgusted with the spending under bush and how he never used his veto pen. I expect it from Obama and his gang. And he's exceeded my expectations. I'm surprised he thought he could get away with spending that much of our money.

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Andy B

11:18 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Bristol, have you been paying attention to our vice president? That chains remark is a quote.

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Naome Lixes

11:35 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

Plenty of bad actors to go around, on both sides.

We should be suspicious of those that seek office.
We should be repairing the mechanisms to elect same.

"That side is BAD!" gets us into the mess we find today.
It's long past time for this electorate to grow up and assert sustainable agendae.

(If you can't pay for it, you can't afford it.)

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Naome Lixes

11:53 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

I not with no small degree of wonder how many conservative voices take to blogging -
and how much space the local papers donate. Could it be that this is a cynical way to drive traffic to their websites?

I can remember my mother describing my Grandfather tuning in to Walter Winchell in order to scream at the set - for all the good it did him. Winchell was a muckraker that could make or break careers. Today's publishers are revisiting this recipe.

We've slid backward, toward the McCarthy years.

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Andy B

11:54 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

"...their default is to accuse us of being racist and greedy, label us with a sex act, state that we want to imprison people for no reason..." so those are not true?

"Plenty of evidence, inferential and direct to make the case that those are true." --Naomi

Citations please. Don't just assert nonsense.

You may have noticed that accusing us of racism is no longer the foul epithet it once was. That's because you lefty idiots have made the baseless charge so many times, nobody takes you seriously anymore.

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Andy B

11:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

BS like that from Naomi and Rose is just a--pretty successful--liberal effort to distract from the terrible failure that is every single liberal policy.

So we shouldn't criticize Obama because he's black? Wouldn't be racist NOT to criticize someone because of their skin color?

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Naome Lixes

1:40 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

http://hutchnews.com/Todaystop/tea-party-skunk--1

There's one. Here's another, http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/17/obama.witchdoctor.teaparty/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/weekinreview/18zernike.html?_r=1

Need I go on? Sure - why not?
http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals

What the incarceration of non-violent offenders is really all about, in our opinion:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/21/487568/new-hampshire-prison-privatizatio/

One of the local Tea Party blogs advocates ending food aid to Africans, as this
aid is somehow hurting them...better to let them starve, I suppose.
http://kingwoodteaparty.com/tag/greed-vs-self-interest/

It's the perversion of Christian values you claim to represent that we abhor.
That, and the pervasive defense mounted by you in the front lines, the cannon-fodder for your leadership. We're idiots because we can read, between the lines if necessary.

'BS like that from Naomi and Rose is just a--pretty successful--liberal effort to distract from the terrible failure that is every single liberal policy.'

Every single liberal policy? Citations please - that's nonsense.
(Kind of why we challenge you clods.)

Personally, I haven't seen much evidence of empirical thinking from this movement.
You're plowing the same ground from Fascist movements that precede you.
http://tinyurl.com/8pok4ss

It's the Moral Majority in a tri-cornered hat - cosplay for the deluded.

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John Ward Jr.

1:45 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Play by the rules everyone......today's Monday.

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Andy B

1:57 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Skunk pic: What about that isn't true?

Witch doctor: "While not denying the crudeness of the image, Tea Party organizers stressed that those who carry the signs are a few "bad apples.""

"Republican Sex Scandals
Most are cited, some lack sources, and some are rumors."

You want to go down that road? Edwards, Frank, Weiner

What have NH prisons got to with the subject?

What is your citation on the Kingston Tea Party supposed to prove? What about the text isn't true?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
"Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household."

You're just throwing a bunch of mud trying to get something to stick. Which, come to think of it, is exactly what your party is doing on a national and local scale. It makes you look desperate.

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Naome Lixes

4:05 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

It's like talking to a brick, only bricks serve a purpose.

You ask for examples - I provide.
You require citation - I include the source.

"You're just throwing a bunch of mud trying to get something to stick. Which, come to think of it, is exactly what your party is doing on a national and local scale. It makes you look desperate." Mister pot, meet mister kettle.

"Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people."
Jamie Lee Curtis, A fish called Wanda.

Jim L

2:01 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

help get me off this sight

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Jack Baillargeron

2:45 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Part 1

The Tea Party was formed after Obama was Elected Naome in 2009. That alone negates your assumption and many others that they are racist because Obama is in the White House. Why? Because if true would they not have been formed before he was elected?

This race baiting has gotten very old and has driven independents from DEM support. Do you find some racist members in the tea party? Yes, because like the DEM, IND, GOP, LIB, and every party there are a wide range of individuals. However you do not label all the people racist based on 1 person 99.99% of the people have never heard of or know personally unless of course evidently you are Liberal I guess.

There is a lot more disgusting thing on video concerning DEM organizations then the tea party. The post here proves that. You conveniently forget that the Tea party in 2010 got rid of GOP also. They are by definition grass roots with many varied beliefs. I have never met one that was not against the Patriot act being used on Citizens of the US. I have seen a lot of racism and implied racism from the current administration and its supporters constantly. People are fed up with it as every survey shows because it is the issues they want to hear.

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Naome Lixes

4:09 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

"The Tea Party was formed after Obama was Elected Naome in 2009. That alone negates your assumption and many others that they are racist because Obama is in the White House."

Did you read my post? This is one of the supporting points - all the insults to the Constitution under Bush 43, and the Tea Party springs to life AFTER Barry comes to dinner at the White House.

"There is a lot more disgusting thing on video concerning DEM organizations then the tea party. " If we're playing by Andy B's rules, no money, no honey.

Cite your source or it's a fabrication.

" I have seen a lot of racism and implied racism from the current administration and its supporters constantly." Really? I'm a white guy, I've never been stopped by a cop or asked for ID when voting. Perhaps you could flesh out this institutional racism perpetrated by the Obama administration?

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mike westman

5:21 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Get rid of the Koch bros, the fringe churches and the militia types and maybe your statement could have some veracity....until then you have not a leg to stand on

Jack Baillargeron

2:46 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Part 2

Why anyone would not support a fiscally responsible government which would lower everyone’s taxes. What so many people don’t understand; SS, Medicare, and many other programs are just plain unsustainable. We know this to be a fact. There is not repair the system must be changed as it has been kicked down the road for decades because of political fear of hurting re-election.

The many DEMS and many GOP entrenched politicians have destroyed the system for decades at various times to get votes. The DEMS have been in power a lot more than the GOP. Same problem exist in many States, especially this State with the DEMS period. Another this that cannot be disputed is the divisionism in this Country caused by the current administration and especially the DEM party more than any other on everything from, race to class warfare, to demonizing all big business and all those people who earned over $200,000 dollars per year for individuals and $250,000 for Couples.

This only the government can help people is getting old and untrue. That is not and never has been the mandate of the government, no matter how it is spun. BY that I mean the entitlement programs that infect the system and have broken it beyond repair. When people complain about it, we are demonized also. Most of us have no problem with help when it is really needed. However this system has turned into “Generational Dependency” and ruined millions of adult and children’s lives in my opinion.

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Naome Lixes

4:18 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

"What so many people don’t understand; SS, Medicare, and many other programs are just plain unsustainable." True - we can't pay for the Defense budget and support our most vulnerable population at the same time.

When the Tea Party comes right out with a denunciation of the Taxpayer's funding of Big Oil's police force (14,000 active duty in Kuwait - with more to come)
then I will believe the Tea Party has a gimlet eye trained on unsustainable costs
that are a redistribution of wealth. In the case of the US Military, the transfer
is upwards to Big Oil.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162093/US-form-massive-military-base-Kuwait-eyes-Iran.html

"When people complain about it, we are demonized also."
If you're receiving benefits, and denying same to others, you've got it coming.

Jack Baillargeron

2:48 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Part 3

The government involvement in Education has destroyed that for the most part and many do not realize that education is a “Right” left to the States to provide, not the federal Government. The government has regulated in to oblivion. The Constitution states quite clearly that the Federal Government stays out of Education. But sadly loop holes have been used to force States into submission. Obey our mandates or we won’t give money is the rule of the day.

Far to much effort has been spent on the fallacy of every child needs and deserves to go to college. Not every child is college material or wants to go to college. Trades are needed in our society badly and they pay very well and in many cases more than so called white collar. I find it sad when I keep seeing these people on TV whining they have a degree in Liberal arts, or political Science etc, and can not find a job.

Get another degree or a trade then. Single subject degrees that are not varied in many job opportunities are worthless. I know of no teachers who stick to one subject. They all get many subjects under their belt and rightly so. Higher Education also is not a right the States or the Government is mandated to provide. That is a choice of the individual and self-responsibility is up to that individual. I know it would take weeks to debate this post with all the problems I see in my opinion. But this is my opinion on these issues.

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mike westman

5:19 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

I would take a more comprehensive approach to education vice oil subsidies and reducing the tax 'burden' on the 1%. That would result in a more dynamic work force and a greater possibility of a technological entrepreneurial breakthrough than feeding the festering pockets of the mega wealthy. And the constitution says nothing about education and most other of your 'uncostitutional' devices that youse guys rail against.

Naome Lixes

4:30 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

"The Constitution states quite clearly that the Federal Government stays out of Education." Where does it say that? Like I said, Andy B's rules require citation.

Or you're inventing support to prop up a weak argument.
You wouldn't do that, would you Jack?

"Higher Education also is not a right the States or the Government is mandated to provide." No argument there, I went to school with a boatload of meatheads -
few of them showed up with the tools to make heads or tails of their schoolwork.

It's my supposition that the funding of public education needs to be changed,
in order to avoid the sort of generational divide growing in places like Tiverton.

A National curriculum with uniform staffing and facilities would be a start.

After grade three - segregate the sexes. Classes year-round. Track kids by performance, and make it competitive to get into higher grades. Teach each and every child the basics of carpentry, plumbing and "home economics" so they can at least fend for themselves.

I think that MORE funding should be directed at primary education. I think that standards should be raised (as if anyone thinks they should be lowered) and that the tools (meaning the best and brightest teachers we can hire) should be recruited to the task. The problem? Demography is destiny for too many -
a kid in Camden, NJ has a very different classroom setting than one in Natick, MA.

Where to find this pot o'gold? The DoD seems to be flush...

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BristolRI02809

5:21 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Oh no Naome-You're going to stir up a hornet's nest with that remark!

For starters, Jack is going to jump all over you on your education comment, as he despises teachers unions and blames all the educational ills of the world on teachers unions.

Secondly, your comment about the DoD is really going to get Jack's mullet in a bunch, as he collects his pension from the DoD, and is one of the biggest war mongers on this blog.

Good luck arguing with him Naome, but it's pretty much a lost cause with him, as the teabaggers have poisoned his mind.

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Jack Baillargeron

7:07 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

10th Amendment states that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

I am no going to give citation to every little thing that anyone who reads the Constitution should know your dreaming. I tire of this back and forth on those issues. You keep sighting left wing opinions and bias studies from obvious left wing groups as do some on the other side. It proves nothing but that there are different opinions.

US Code

4) in our Federal system, the primary public responsibility for education is reserved respectively to the States and the Local school systems and other instrumentalities of the States

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/20C48.txt

Your untruth of all that babble on education is a myth that even your most left leaning and right leaning agrees.

In 2011, the Center for American Progress, described as a "left-leaning think tank" stated that for half the states studied, it found no correlation between spending and achievement after allowing for cost of living, and students living in poverty.

A 2008 report[by The Heritage Foundation described as a "right-leaning think tank" provides the following chart based on data from the US Department of Education indicating no real improvement in reading scores, while per student expenditure more than doubles from $4,060 in 1970 to $9,266 in 2005 ($20,436.03 adjusted for inflation since 1970

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Jack Baillargeron

7:12 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

It is a fallacy that throwing more money at education improves anything in the schools that are failing the children nation wide. The disparity alone of funding proves this. The system is broke, plain and simple.

If you can explain to me why RI has the 5th highest paid techers in RI and ranked 41st in education, and why more and more money does not solve it, but your want to spend even more will. I would love to hear how that works. You and I both know the real reason. The system is so corrupt and has no single formula that works. Didn't have this when I was a kid.

Naome Lixes

6:07 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

I doubt that, I think he's just bored.

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Naome Lixes

6:08 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Anybody know if the OP gets paid for all this action?

If so, I'm going to sign up under the handle of "Pixie Dust Doo-gooder basketcase"
and start lobbing thought grenades around...

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mike westman

6:23 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

I doubt there is a per hit model on this but go for it.....seems the old guard tprs are in a bit of a pickle here

Ryanthegirl

6:48 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

So if you reach financial wealth through hard work, good decisions, perseverance and discipline that is considered a bad thing? If we continue to penalize the rich because its now bad and greedy what am I supposed to tell my kids, don't try your hardest, don't reach your full potential and definitely don’t strive to be better than your parents because the government will ultimately label and financially punish you. You also have no right to decide where the money, that you have earned, will go. Does anyone know of a book I can read on the correct way to teach my kids not to be better and mediocre is good enough because my parents never told me that?

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Jack Baillargeron

8:28 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Sorry but I can't resist this one lol.

Book of liberalism 10 by Karl Marx lol.

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Naome Lixes

8:42 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

"It is a fallacy that throwing more money at education improves anything in the schools that are failing the children nation wide. The disparity alone of funding proves this.' Perhaps the correlation is indirect, The correlation between underfunding and school failure is direct, however. I wonder if the relation is elastic?

From the statute listed by Jack, above:
(6) the importance of education is increasing as new
technologies and alternative approaches to traditional education
are considered, as society becomes more complex, and as equal
opportunities in education and employment are promoted;

If you're making a grand claim, and can't support it, it's baseless.
If you're making a claim and can't be bothered to cite it, you're just lazy.

We can read, we like facts, we might even consider them.

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Jack Baillargeron

9:08 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

So I inform you of where it says it in the Constiution and you ignore it and then quote federal government involvement lol.

You do not get even get the throwing money away do you? You think money solves all educations problems and so many others, it is laughable and totally incorrect as history has proven. Whne dealing with social issues money being constantly increases nothing but to instill dependence.

What grand claim? As I said citing pundit sites and totally biasedresearch, are not citations at all, merely opinion backed by opinion. I am amazed I tell you something that is in the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights for that matter and you want me to provide a link to it lol. There in lays your main problem, you ignore the constitution as so many of your links do. If you are touting things against the constitution like redistrubution of wealth and social programs, you have to change the Constitution first. Remember it say "Pursuit of happiness" not government provided happiness.

Get a clue will you lol.

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mike westman

9:09 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Since when is there a qualitative aspect to success and wealth? You guys all think that when we want you to pay your share that we are penalizing your success and gleefully so.....I am a business man and success and wealth are part of my goals. I just think that the separation of society into have and have not is a poor concept. I watched the growth of the middle class....relished being part of it....and now am watching the dismantling of it by the mindless libertarian/conservative element that wants to me me me. So ....you can go crying into the night and feel persecuted but reality says that no one is stopping you from success....just that the higher levels have more institutional cost.

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Naome Lixes

10:00 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Who said your kids should strive for mediocrity?

Who said they shouldn't pursue their ultimate potential?
Financial wealth through hard work is a noble reward. Having a class that comes to dominate the rest because of inheritance is the opposite of the American dream.

If you really want to teach your kids to be successful, tell them to be born rich.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Snark ignores the stark facts; in America, your zipcode is your destiny.
https://www.npr.org/2011/01/28/133306180/Mother-Jailed-For-School-Fraud-Flares-Controversy

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Jack Baillargeron

10:18 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/01/14/the-decline-of-inherited-money/

1. According to a study of Federal Reserve data conducted by NYU professor Edward Wolff, for the nation’s richest 1%, inherited wealth accounted for only 9% of their net worth in 2001, down from 23% in 1989. (The 2001 number was the latest available.)

2. According to a study by Prince & Associates, less than 10% of today’s multi-millionaires cited “inheritance” as their source of wealth.

3. A study by Spectrem Group found that among today’s millionaires, inherited wealth accounted for just 2% of their total sources of wealth.

Each of these stats measures slightly different things, yet they all come to the same basic conclusion: Inheritance is not the main driver of today’s wealth. The reason we’ve had a doubling in the number of millionaires and billionaires over the past decade (even adjusted for inflation) is that more of the non-wealthy have become wealthy.

So it’s not just that the same old rich folks are getting richer. The more-important shift is that the rich are getting more numerous.

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Ryanthegirl

10:44 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

@mikewestman "Since when is there a qualitative aspect to success & wealth” For me my answer would be forever & the day I turned 16 & was able to scoop ice cream for 5.10 an hour & not able to accept tips. I worked under a private sector union regime for 8 & 1/2 years & made an average of 85K a yr. I took the first package available because I knew that complacency was not for me. I was a work from home mom for 4 years until very recently, working 55+ hours a week making an average of 26K a yr. & was grateful to do so because it was MY choice. Now, I am back in the "real world" making 35K a yr. no benefits. So, please don't lump me in your "you guys" category because we are by no means wealthy, in fact we don’t even meet the “middle class” standard. I am well aware that money does not mean happiness because I have seen both sides. It’s the overall jealousy toward the wealthy that bothers me as a parent. I think my question is a valid one when I ask, what am I suppose to teach my children?

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Ryanthegirl

10:44 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Furthermore, “the have vs. have not” is false, our state has no middle class; it has a working class & 39% non-working class. We need jobs here to allow most of the 39% to work because they want to. The most recent administration & current administration have made it that way through taxation, intern our states wealthiest will no longer want to do business here or hire within the state. You state you are a businessman as I was a business major & this was economics 101,operating in the red leaves negative profit for all, top to bottom.

Joe Sousa.

8:26 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

When people work hard and get ahead in life it shows they had what it takes. Perseverance, dedication ,sweat, and grit. The looser liberals who feel they are entitled to the earnings of those who succeed are the first to say" I am my brothers keeper" A christian value. We know how they feel about church and state. I guess they,re hypocrites too

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mike westman

9:12 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

There are a lot of us out there that are successful and do not share your selfish concept of society. I live here....I have to acknowledge my responsibility to that society that has provided me with the infrastructure and protection from economic and cultural predators. I accept that....apparently you do not. And I gather you are a politician .....that makes you even worse

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Joe Sousa.

10:16 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Mike if you enjoy giving your hard earned money to fat lazy welfare moochers and looters you should pay extra. Write the check!

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mike westman

6:05 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

I would rather give it to someone who needs it rather to someone who sticks it in his offshore bank account.

Joe Sousa.

8:46 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Aquidneck Island Christian Academy
Yearly Tuition Cost $4,800
Average Class Size 6 students
Average SAT score 580

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mike westman

6:06 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

brainwashing.....cost...priceless

Joe Sousa.

8:49 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

The Teachers unions have ruined our schools, and short changed the students. Till people stand up and make the changes, we will be the most expensive and low achievers.

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mike westman

9:13 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

The unions have not ruined the schools......the govt. mandates have managed to make education difficult. Get off their backs.

Joe Sousa.

10:11 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Union teachers and their spouses in our legislatures have created the mandates. The worst part is the people elected them . Not me, other people

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mike westman

6:03 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Who dictated those mandates? The lib I am would say (sic) that Federal and State ed. depts and the courts are the ones. And do not forget those little propositions you voted for (or against if you actually read them) when it was ballot time. Unions did not foist them on the educational system.

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bigmanny

6:30 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Joe could you tell us which mandates you speak of an which legislators spouses created them? Just a couple example of those mandates would be great.

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Realistic voter

5:46 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

"Not me other people" Wa WA WA!!!! You sound like a 5 year old!!! Get a life dude " "Please come join our cult" ( tea party) They will lead us to the promise land!!!!

Jack Baillargeron

12:55 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Tell me Mike W. which "mindless libertarian/conservative element that wants to me me me". Made the State of RI, one of the worst to do business in? We are 41st in Education; low wages through out the State in the name of tourism. Low wage jobs, industries and investors fled the State. Now let’s see what DEM do on the obvious other side of your coin.

A Lottery and slot machines that saved our tax base and rebuilt our schools, lower property taxes, taxes to maintain our bridges, roads, water ways, they built the Big River reservoir, mass transportation, we have 0% unemployment, the fishing industry is 2nd to none, higher education for free and they get employed with any degree they take no matter what it is, houses cost a pittance but are worth millions, which we pay no taxes on, we need no self responsibility in RI.

The General Assembly is father and mother. Hell these DEMS in RI are so good, we not only do not have to work at all (because we allow illegals to do it for us under the table naturally).

Again; in RI DEM policy is king and it has done all those wonderful things proving that a DEM controlled State run for going on 78 years now is proof that is what we need nationwide (total DEM control and Ideology that has worked so well in RI). Care to name a single time in the last 78 years in RI that the "mindless libertarian/conservative element that wants to me me me"? That did anything in this State that you have talked about. Good luck with that lol.

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mike westman

6:01 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

I am sure there is a whole mix in the tp movement....I do believe that there are few ...if any...of you that actually feel any real pain from economy and from the govt. ...you all seem to have money....jobs..(if you are young enough) food....medical care...roads and all that other stuff that we sort of take for granted.

Corruption is everywhere....in every country and in every culture...it is a way of life and the lone sentinel that rails against the rest of us becomes ineffective in the quest for honesty in govt. ...sure you have to speak out but the smart thing is to speak in a way that actually can have results. Teachers, union members, welfare and medicaid participants are easy low hanging fruit....yet when your personal safety net will fail and you need the services of the govt. then maybe you will look at what really happens. Corruption is everywhere and it becomes a function of one entity at a time to make the system work more efficiently

We understand your inner rage....we all feel it...you have to express it in a way that actually can do something. Alienating the rest of us with sophomoric ideas will not accomplish that end. .

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mike westman

6:08 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Really....other than the economic pain that does not allow us steak everynite....show us the real economic dysfunction that exists in your life......not imagined or some talking point taken off of a website....real pain....then our conversation can become realistic

Joe Sousa.

6:39 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Take back America from the Moochers and Looters . Join the Tea Party and give them the boot. We can do better if people get involved.

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mike westman

6:45 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Get rid of the proselytizers and Kochies, tell the supremacists and rapturists to take a walk....and get a realistic platform on women's health issues....then just maybe...we will look at the tp as a coherent political platform to work from. Until then......the circus is in town and it aint pretty

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Naome Lixes

6:55 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

That sounds good - what is the local Tea Party stance on the Navy owning so much valuable property, or Raytheon at the taxpayer-filled trough?

You mob are the modern incarnation of the "no-nothing" party, without any foreign policy or public works experience. The Tea Party rallied after Wall Street looted retirement savings and installed Barry in the highest office.

Ineffectual on the national stage, you have turned your attention on soft targets.
Like schools, public works and pensions. I would like to take back America from
the gullible - you're being used, Joe.

What says the Tea Party hymnal in response to that?

bigmanny

7:33 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

JimL it is not nice to call people names. Someone who spends as much time as you do on the Internet (all day every day)should be nicer to other people who post. Thank you JimL and no more name calling from you.

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BristolRI02809

7:48 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

As usual, the two teabagger mouthpieces, Joe Sousa and Jack Baillargeron are spouting off against the unions, just as their teabagger handlers order them to do.

Here's a question for both of you two nitwits-In the last election, Joe Sousa vowed to take away emergency medical rescue service from the town fire department and sub-contract it out to a private company. Is this still your official stance Mr. Sousa, and what are your feelings Jack? Inquiring minds would love to know.

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Naome Lixes

8:38 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Any chance we could stay on topic? I'll gladly trade witty barbs with the Tea Party adherents, but why call them stupid? Let them display their prodigious acumen in print - that should be sufficient.

I'm guessing there are some workable ideas, buried under the bluster.
I just haven't heard any, yet.

The silence on defense expenditures is thunderous...

http://econintersect.com/wordpress/?p=8504
(I know, pesky facts, written by someone with suspicious "credentials".)

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/79/79shominids.phtml

bigmanny

7:57 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Jack B was a union member and collects a healthy federal pension

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Naome Lixes

8:39 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Any truth to that, or are you just baiting a bored old man?

Time to up your game, bigmanny.

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BristolRI02809

2:53 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Naome-Jack Baillargeron is a retired unionized firefighter who worked at the navy base fire dept. in Newport., and yes, he does collect a pension. Somehow, somewhere, he apparently got into confrontations with his fellow firefighters and retired. It seems a combination of that sour taste he had in his mouth coupled with the teabagger kool-aid served to him by Marina Peterson, Gary Morse, etc. and listening to John DePetro and Rush Limbaugh has turned him into the new crusader for the teabaggers.

Lorraine F

8:30 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

BristolRI02809,

Just so you know, I may not agree with Mr Sousa or Mr Baillargeron, but I read their comments carefully.

Yours I do not.

I think you have some good points to make. If you think a little more on presentation, you might get people like me to take you seriously.

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BristolRI02809

2:58 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Lorraine-Maybe you're not reading their comments carefully enough. The minute anyone on this blog makes a post that goes against the republicans/teabaggers, Joe and Jack are the first two to jump all over it and start attacking those posters.

While an eye for an eye or tit for tat might not always be an appropriate response, if nobody stand up to these internet bullies, people might actually begin to believe their line of bull.

Remember Lorraine, if you repeat the same lies over and over again, even reasonable people begin to believe them.

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Leave RI

7:47 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

I didn't think there were this many R.I.-er's who buy into Barry O'Drama's plan to trash the United States

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East Greenwich GOP

9:01 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

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9:03 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

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