Soooo.... If you like the way things have been going for the past four years, vote Obama. If you want to try something new, vote Romney.

I know I'm going to vote for new ideas and that will be the RomneyRyan ticket.

I'll be writing in Ron Paul...thank you very much.

"I'll be writing in Ron Paul"

Ron Paul is a great guy, but he's not going to make an active difference in the direction of the country in the next four years. I hope his ideas will continue to prevail through his followers.

To me,the only way for change to happen is for the people to change.I've changed,the only way i can live with my vote is to vote for him.Thanks for your thoughful comments on him,i believe both parties have become machines for corporations and will spend us to oblivion.

From the day Obama took office the republicans have blocked just about every piece of legislation they could. Don’t talk to me about what has not been accomplished as long as republicans continue to fight the party/people that was voted into office.

Sluggo have you looked into Gary Johnson at all?? He was not the asnwer for me but may be for you.

Of course GM and Ford built plants in China - to sell cars to the Chinese - just like Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, and other foreign companies make cars in the US for our purchases. It's business, not politics.

Well hey,then GM shouldn't have been bailed out and both companies should move their corporate headquarters to China.They can give up the tax breaks they get whenever they move something over there too.All the growth is over there now,so much for making here and shipping overseas.When everyone over here is making a buck an hour we'll reach equililbrium.

Yea,it is business,that's another reason why the U.S. government is in so much debt,they're trying to pick up the slack that the private sector has shipped overseas.

Napoleon said "money knows no borders".Boy did he hit the nail on the head!

Change will only come about when you vote those out who are not performing... This starts with Obama, I'm not voying for him this time and I'm a die-hard Democrat who voted for him last time...
My 401K and the unemployment rate told me I have to do this...

Just like Volkswagen, BMW, Toyota, KIA, Honda, Mercedes-Benz and Nissan have; They too have built assembly plants outside their home nations and inside the US.

Mr.Sluggo: It pains to say this. You'll be wasting your vote if you cast a ballot for Ron Paul. Your write in ballot will not even be looked at. You have to choose the lesser of two evils. I'll be casting my ballot for Governor Romney.

My point exactly Rio,globalization is a failure.

"Why haven't third parties worked in America?"

I don't think Americans have the energy for third parties. Independents, such as the governor of RI get elected, but then they're left adrift with no organized backing. I understand he is going to attend the Democratic convention. Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, etc. can end up being spoilers when they pull away votes. Americans soon tire of that.

The reason 3rd party's don’t work is that our system is flawed. What I mean by this is that instead of leaving us with a cohesive choice that pacifies most, we are left with a watered down version of what “might have been”. Personally, I’m not a Democrat by choice but rather by default.
Let me put it this way. Let’s say we have 20% of the electorate that only likes peaches, 20% that like only pears, 20% that like only apples, 20% that only likes oranges and 20% that like only cherries.
Once the orange, peach and apples are removed through luck, money and the primaries you have two fruits that only 40% of the voting electorate are left leaving 60% of us settling for what we really don’t want.
The issue here is really not the presidential vote. Clearly that has to be a winner take all approach however, it should never be the case for the house and senate. Instead, what would happen if you did not whittle down the options through the primary and simply did a general election with each party (Democrat, Republican, Green, whatever) getting representation based on the percentage of the total votes cast. In this scenario, you would be opening the system up to allow real debate on issues with all voices being heard.

Well said NKTAXPAYER, I agree but I will be voting for Mr. Obama again this election. I have tried very hard to get behind Mr. Romney, but I just can't do it. BTW I love your screen name!

The reason people went sour on Bush 2 was because of the endless war and runaway spending. So we brought in Obama and we are still at war and and he spent 5 times as much as Bush. Obama is Bush on steroids not to mention his crony capitalism where he gives millions of our tax dollars to his pet corporations. Solyndra being one of them and it is now bankrupt. Our tax dollars down the toilet.
This is just the tip of the iceberg of wasted money and failed policies. Have you seen the debt clock ticking?
"Small businesses close up. All bought and paid for by your local GOP!" Which local GOP are you talking about. Did you know that this state is 90% controlled by dems and republicans have almost no control. Check out the states with fiscally conservative Govenors like Chris Christie who not only balanced a budget (that had a huge deficit) but came out with a surplus AND cut taxes (which always helps the MIDDLE CLASS.) There are a few more conservative Govenors who did the same even in a bad economy. NO liberals even came close. Chafee will never balance our budget because he is a tax and spend liberal and we have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country thanks to his liberal policies. I never supported Chafee even when he was a republican. Vote conservative...it is the only way out of this fiscal nightmare.

I absolutely agree with you on term limits, and I'll go a step further... no pensions, just credit towards their Social Security and no health care for life, let them get in the system that we all get into private or medicare or whaterver. That would take care of a lot of lobbying and corporate favors.

I also agree that the Dems don't have the answer. So why vote them in for another four years of muddling and raising the debt?

nktaxpayer, I'm sitting here laughing my ass off.

You say "Gov budgets, Can't spend more than you took in the year before minus 8%."

Apparently your beloved O'Bama does not quite understand your concept, because since he took office he has increase our national debt by $5.349 trillion dollars. That is $16,000 more debt for every man, woman and child in our country.

As if the common working class family isn't struggling enough to pay their own debt costs, O'Bama added another $64,000 to the debt that an average family of four is already overbured with.

And the really sad thing is that after racking up this additional $5 trillion dollars of debt, we have nothing to show for it.

We're still in a depression, people are still jobless in record numbers, the average family is drowning financially, companies are going out of business, cities and towns are bankrupt.

Yep, your guy O'Bama really did a great job!

He is not the lesser of two evils. Economically, he is evil incarnate.

But I do agree the skies in our world are definitely "grey".

If someone burns down your house, and you're forced to live in harsh conditions for a while, and life becomes hard because you've lost your belongings ... naturally you blame the fire company

You did mean Reagan right?

Obama hates America and everything we stand for. He wants to remake America but he can't do that until he brings us to financial ruin (and we are close) and then he can remake us into the third world country that he wants us to be while he and his wealthy cronies (Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, George Soros et al) sip champagne and eat cavier and we stand in line for toilet paper. Rose you might want to check the kool-aid you are drinking. Real families need FREEDOM first so they can get an education and a job and they don't have to depend on the peanuts that the government doles out.

Pam, I am no fan of Obama but if you believe half of the nonsense in your post maybe you could help Rose out by loaning her some of your own Kool-Aid.

It is possible to vehemently disagree with someone's policy without deluding yourself into thinking they "Hate America." Your deluded if you think Romney is going to do you any better.

** Gary Johnson 2012 **

NK Parent, Obama is still pushing the same failed policies that are bringing this country to the brink of destruction. Either he knows what he is doing and wants to destroy this country or he is incredibly stupid. Take your pick but either way Obama has to go and Gary Johnson is not the guy to unseat him.

me too. I like him. and even though I am pretty sure he will not "win" - my vote is to help show that a 3rd party CAN be viable.

Being endorsed by teabagger Joe Sousa would be more than enough reason to vote against that idiot Romney.

Joe, I don't think the RomneyRyan ticket will let you down. It is so nice to hear "God Bless America" instead of "God Damn America". The Republican convention has been uplifting to watch. With the experience of Romney and the energy of Ryan, they can get the job of getting America back on track done.

Wow Joe who would have thought!! You voting Repulican I'm amazed!

"Being endorsed by ... Joe Sousa would be more than enough..."

That's ignores the dilution of local voting in the electoral college.
If you buy into this dimwitted notion (BristolRI02809) you've not bothered to read the OP - this isn't a case where all politics is yokel.

There isn't a dime's worth of difference in the policy stance of Romney or Obama.
What is different is the team behind them.

One side is covertly working for Wall Street interests, the other out in the open.
So, a vote for Romney is a vote for transparency in the Oval Office.

Naome,, i'm not sure you're paying very good attention.

<I>One side is covertly working for Wall Street interests, the other out in the open.
So, a vote for Romney is a vote for transparency in the Oval Office.</I>

If this is the case than why is Wall Street OVERWHELMINGLY supporting the Romney/Ryan ticket? Is this all part of their master scheme to deceive the public? They must really hate Obama covertly working on their behalf.

There is only ONE candidate that is going to give conservatives and tea party supporters the voice they need in Washington (hint: it's not Obama or Romney).

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

BristolRI02809 do you have any thoughts to add to the conversation or do you just stick with name calling?

Thank you Bristol12344567890
"That idiot Romney..." So why is he a multimillionaire? Idiot, really? Maybe not your choice, and that is okay. Remember, every village needs an ......:)

Great comeback from Mr. Joe Sousa, teabagger party candidate for Tiverton Town Council.

Here's some advice for you Mr. Sousa: Instead of wasting your time beating your chest and being a mouthpiece for the teabaggers, you might want to focus more of your efforts on obtaining a GED, purchasing Spell Check for your computer, and expanding your wardrobe to include something other than a camouflage t-shirt.

Until then, don't expect to have any educated voters take your candidacy seriously.

Very good point about online voting.I heard this one not long ago..."if you can bank online,you can vote online".Ancient electoral system needs to go too,popular vote should be all that matters.

That's fine, but that is the system. Change it or at least start the civil public discourse. Remember that as "Democratic" as Rhode Island is today, it was just as Republican until about 1938.

Yeah, its a real pain to take a few minutes out of your day perform your duty as a citizen of this country. If voting is important to someone then they will take the time to perform their civic duty.

If you want to increase voter participation, maybe our country should have our elections on a Saturday when fewer people are working.

There are only two states in the union who get it right, they are Maine and Nebraska. They have 'proportional representation', that is if Romney get 40% of the popular vote and Obama gets 60%, then the electoral votes will be divied up accordingling. All other states are 'winner take all'. So if Obama gets 52% of the popular vote, he gets all the electoral votes. More states should look into 'proportional representation'.

Luckily, between RI and MA there are only 15 electoral votes, but think how it must be to live in a place like California which has 55 electoral votes. Totally discouraging, I would think.

How are you going to produce your I.D. if you vote online it would lead to massive voter fruad.

A Constitutional amendment would be best, then everyone would be playing by the same rules. You wouldn't have some states with 'proportional representation' and others 'winner take all'.

We would have to provide computers to all and lessons on computers to those who don't know what a cursor is.

"We would have to provide computers to all and lessons on computers to those who don't know what a cursor is." Not so.

We use the same method employed by American Idol.
Cellphones are ubiquitous, and easy to use.

It would be nice to see "One Person = One Vote" deciding the race.
Better still, migrate to a parliamentary system where we can see future leaders
in action (or inaction) - the current Kabuki theater goes to the best haircut.

On American Idol you can vote over and over and over.

"If you tout a particular platform, YOU ARE the problem!!." Well that just makes no sense.

I don't even know who Gary Johnson is...that is a wasted vote.

Maybe you should step away from the computer you are getting a little heavy handed on the !!!!!

Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is voting for evil. I'd rather not vote at all. Don't you think it would make a bigger statement to the "establishment" if only 40% of the population went out and voted? Cuts coming from the top, really? You obviously don't understand how the system you live in works. You work in a pyramidal system, why in the hell would the people at the top remove themselves so the lowers wont get cuts. It will never happen. EVER.

nktaxpayer, I'm sitting here laughing my ass off.

You say "Gov budgets, Can't spend more than you took in the year before minus 8%."

Apparently your beloved O'Bama does not quite understand your concept, because since he took office he has increase our national debt by $5.349 trillion dollars. That is $16,000 more debt for every man, woman and child in our country.

As if the common working class family isn't struggling enough to pay their own debt costs, O'Bama added another $64,000 to the debt that an average family of four is already overbured with.

And the really sad thing is that after racking up this additional $5 trillion dollars of debt, we have nothing to show for it.

We're still in a depression, people are still jobless in record numbers, the average family is drowning financially, companies are going out of business, cities and towns are bankrupt.

Yep, your guy O'Bama really did a great job!

He is not the lesser of two evils. Economically, he is evil incarnate.

But I do agree the skies in our world are definitely "grey".

Romney/Ryan is the answer. What was the question?

Joe the Plumber ... Where was your voice when "W" was spending his ass off while in the White House?

" Obama is a Socialist."

That's idiotic, unless you know something the rest of us don't?
Do tell...

@Naome...

My opinions and observations are not any more idiotic than yours.

What do you call redistribution of wealth?

Examples, please.

If I want to watch Fox or any other propaganda outlet, I'll tune in.
You said Obama is a Socialist. Prove it. Then explain why it's different from any other sitting President.

g'head

"...Romney implements Biblical law in Amerca..."

Gee, this sounds a little bit like in the olden days where if you elected a Catholic, like JFK, the Pope or the Vatican would run America.

In any case, what's your point?

All I have to do is read the hate-thoughts of the Atheist zealot to confirm how I should vote. The ignorance is so apparent. The Democratic party is so narrow.

RAPEpublican. Wow. How long did it take to come up with that gem?

"...as Romney implements Biblical law in Amerca..."

Where did this outrageous leap come from? There's no evidence that Mitt Romney would do, or has contemplated this sort of thing. It's like the wingnuts claiming that Obama wants to implement UN agenda 21 - objectors are left to disprove a negative.

This sort of thing belongs in a Craigslist rant, not here.

So your posting about two idiot bigots who threw nuts at a camerawoman is how ALL "republicans" are. This right here is a perfect example of you reflecting their behavior. Your coming on here calling people affiliated with a political party, rapists and then attempt to insult them with delinquent childish catch phrases. Trying to frame everyone in one little container you call "Rapeublicans". Your intellect is through the roof man!

Excellent compromise,probably be a lot cheaper once it was set up.

My first thought is it would certainly be much simpler to sell ones vote. And since people are already so cynical about the process and the politicians, they would probably be more inclined to do so. Particularly those who are desperate for money or drugs.

Your right when Romney was asked the last time he ran for prez why his boy's are not serving they're country for a war he supported he said they were ....They were working in his campaign!! Wow what a true American!

@nktaxpayer ... Just what is name calling going to fix. Where does the hate in you come from? Do you have a constructive thought as to how to fix the many problems this country has other than to put someone else in the White House who has who has no proven track record of exactly how to fix those problems. Those "remedies" projected will not come to fruition for approximately 35 years. So just what do we do in the meantime? Instead of name calling and screaming nonsense ... come up with realistic solutions that have meaning and that makes good common sense and value to the country not one political party.

Not true on the $716? See congressional budget office report.

Lying on GM. Only one doing that is your side there Robert. E.. You seem to be going off the deep end of late. Heres the facts on GM that Rachel Maddow and Chris thrill of warm urine down my leg are lyig to you about. Not Ryan. Also think I would believe a guy who lives in the town of Janesville along with some of my relatives who actually worked at thate plant before believing those MSNBC nuts.

http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/apr/21/thursday-last-day-production-isuzu-line-comes-end/

Thursday is last day of production as Isuzu line comes to end
By JIM LEUTE ( Contact ) Tuesday, April 21, 2009

JANESVILLE — Exactly four months after General Motors ended sport utility vehicle production in Janesville, the automaker will shut down its medium-duty assembly line.

Production will end Thursday on the local plant's Isuzu line that dates back to 1994. Fifty-seven production workers will lose their jobs.

GM spokesman Chris Lee said another 40 to 50 employees in skilled trade will work to decommission the plant that after nearly 90 years is no longer in the automaker's immediate production plans.

GM said last June it would end local production of light-duty trucks—Suburbans, Tahoes and GMC Yukons—by the end of 2010 at the latest. It also said it would shut down the medium-duty Isuzu line sometime in 2009.

funny how those dates don't add up to your lie huh? Just saying

You need to read the whole article. Also remember thatll the private businesses i e hosiptals and insurances companies will surley cut even more care from handling medicare patients not to mention medicaid also because of this. It is an Obama disaster created by the affordable healthcare act crappola. Those are facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

On July 24, the Congressional Budget Office sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, detailing the budget impact of repealing the Affordable Care Act. If Congress overturned the law, “spending for Medicare would increase by an estimated $716 billion over that 2013–2022 period.”

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-ryan-takes-factual-shortcuts-speech-070905927.html

Get back to me Robert when CAL WOODWARD reads the actual article from the local news paper with the real facts and not his opinons. Same with the CBO report which is very hard read and you also have to read the healthcare law to understand what exactly is going on with the medicare thing. As I have said million times, I have read it many times now and constantly find how convoluted and scarey it is.

For me no one and I mean no one can say a vote for a continuation of this presidents policies should continue. If ever a quote of "its the economy stupid" needs to be sid again and again it is now to our current president. This deflection on women, race, tax forms,dogs etc. is assinine. If he DEMS think those are winning points they are more delusional then I thought.

"On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold."
Fox News

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz255rE4l50

Again Robert just an opinion on that link and not one fact from the writer, the plant was open well into Obama presidentcy it was not closed, as for the others, maybe all are debatable but they are not as the writer said. Since the writer canno even get the factory closing right, there is no credibility as te total bias is showing lol.

Oh please Gretchen give it a rest. When did any Republican ever try to take away access to birth control. If you want to take carcinogenic hormones go right ahead but don't ask us to pick up the 10 dollar a month tab.

"Religious freedom nonsense." Are you for real?

"Republicans take away access to birth control"?

Really, I mean really. Where in the law does it say my tax money should pay for you to have that? Show that to me in the constitution, where I am suppose to pay for it. Don't pull the religious clap trap either, I am not a memer of any religion or organization, but I am a taxpayer who believes in self responsibility. If Catholic JFK was not a problem for the country, when it was a heck of a lot more of an issue, then what makes you think it is now. I just do not get why people do not understand, that on the birth control thing, it is most taxpayers do not and should not have to pay for any of it. Whether it is moral or correct etc, is individual choice period as that is the law of the land period.

Relax, Gretchen. MEN aren't going to sit back and let anyone take away WOMEN'S access to birth control. Men want to be free to have sex without the risk of children. This includes Catholic men.

BTW, I'll never vote for a Democrat again as long as the Atheist zealots control the party. They hate, disrespect God.

I think its kind of funny that you describe Republicans as "extreme" and out of touch when your commentary frequently consisits of gross over statements and harsh attacks on people who do not share your same liberal philosophy.

I would love to be in a country run by you Gretchen. Little to no personal accountability. My life would be so much easier. I could abdicate all of my responsibilities to the government and in turn my government wll take care of me

Why should anyone have to pay for someone else's birth controlpills. And more imprtantly, why should I have to pay for someone to have an abortion? I cannot possibly vote for someone who want to impose more and more govt rule over my life. Not to mention the fact that the word "illegal" really doesn't have any meaning anymore. I am a legal immigrant but what I see happening with illegal immigration makes me sick. Shall we mention the amount of jobs that have been outsourced since Obama came into play? Remember that Obama did say that if he didn't get a handle on things in 4 yrs, then he shouldn't be relected. Are you better off now then you were 4 yrs ago? Most of us will answer, no. Times up!

EFT,
you've got things a little backwards. The off-shoring of jobs took place under the previous administration with the current Republican candidate reaping benefits. Since President Obama took office US companies are starting to pull those jobs back.

By the way, Bain has an 80% success rate in saving companies. ( Wonde why Clinton Praised it and Mitt so Highly huh? was he lying also?) Care to name a Company that has 100%? That seems to be what you guys keep saying has too be. Read the real story on the steel company that was not a success and why.

Then read about the Steel company Bain made a success and why they are now #1 in the Country. Tell thse workers Romney sucks. Tell Staples employees Romney sucks. Look at the portfolio of Bain. Maybe you could get the guy who lied about his wife and Romney causing her death to talk to them or maybe, why are all the other employees from the failed company not out there in the media lying like he did.

Sorry but these talking points you are spreading around constantly are just subtrifuge to hide that the DEMS in power have no clue or plans, other than throwing money and spending 4 billion dollars a day of which 40% is borrowed.

Sady I think even with facts in front of you, will still deny Obama is the problem along with Ried and Pelosi and their platform of nothingness. ;-}

"Then read about the Steel company Bain made a success and why they are now #1 in the Country. Tell thse workers Romney sucks." Jack Baillargeron

You mean GS steel of Kansas City? They went bankrupt in 2001, after Bain forced their merger with a Georgetown, SC steel mill and invested $8 million in it. That initial investment was quickly recouped when, in 1994, the company issued $125 million in bonds and paid out $65 million in dividends – $36.1 million of which went to Bain, according to Reuters. The following year, Bain merged the company with another in Georgetown, S.C., renaming the company GS Industries, and issued another $125 million in bonds.

Bain also reinvested an additional $16.5 million in the company, evidence that Bain intended to keep the firm going. Nevertheless, six years later, the company declared bankruptcy and eliminated 750 jobs.

It also reneged on pension and other benefits it had agreed to in 1997. The U.S. Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. later determined the company had severely underfunded its pension, and the federal agency covered the cost of basic pension payments. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/lemon-picking-bain-capital-obama-style/

Maybe you're talking about another steel mill, where the workers were happy to be laid off while Bain stole their pensions?

It is moronic to consider facts subterfuge when they disagree with your pipedreams.

Thank you Gretchen for schooling me on birth control but you didn't answer my question. When did any republican try to take away birth control (and now let me add day care and send women back into the home?) Stop your silly ranting and think about what you are saying.

Thats not what Colter said at all. She also was joking about it saying we would have less DEMS if women didn't vote geesh. She make wack statements like that all the time, it is her job.

Love to see the facts on the birth control and daycare though, because that is total BS.

Forgot the real quote.

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 — except Goldwater in '64 — the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted"

these are the crass jokes she make which she has the right to, yet you apply it to all those who do not think like you.? Wow.

O do you mean this one.

If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine, but I don't think it's going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.

She has been saying this same joke for over a decade.

Oh by the way, I do not care for Colter, I don't think she is that funny.

Jack,
Your seriously going to defend a man that bet AGAINST (Swiss bank accounts) the US dollar every chance he got? You really think a man who offshores (Cayman Islands tax shelters) his money should be President? Go take a look at Mitt's economic plan that 3 non-partisan thinktanks said would cut taxes for the top 1% and raise taxes for middleclass and low-income. Sounds like the American way to me. I believe the comment used about his economic plan was "mathematically impossible."

J. Lane.

An American has bank accounts where ever they want, it is called freedom is it not?

Tax shelters are perfectly legal used by most Americans if they want. Is that the citizens fault or the government?

I have come to the conclusion that there is no such things as non-partisian think tanks last decade.

There is no plan set in concrete as of yet, and no proof that his plan is going to do what you say. Do you really think he or any politician would put out a plan doing what you are saying, when trying to get elected? Of course they wouldn't.

Also it would seem some people need to go back to school of math {mathematically impossible}, yea right, I want to get elected and no one would notice I put a plan out like that. Come on it is all smoke and mirrors to denegrate one side or the other. The bottom line is anything is worth a try and cannot be worse than what the current administration has an continues to do. Which is nothing that works, but sure raises deficits. That sure is not change, but status quo.

I will go with a guy who has a different plan, not an administration that will not even allow 16 budget plans to be debated and that is a fact.

Jack,
Do you understand the real reason for Swiss bank accounts?

They are a very specific hedge against the US dollar. Guess that makes Romney the poster child for freedom and the American way.

Yes he the poster child for that J. Lane and why not? Did he break any laws? You really think if you have any investments they are not involved in other Countries to do the exact thing he does.

I defy anyone who says what you do about these tax things to show me where they have not taken a deduction or availed themselves of tax regulations that allow then to lower their tax burden. I want them to tell me how they decide to not use these rules and then decide the government needs all the money they can get from you, so you do not take those deductions.

Tell me J. Lane who does that? Really who does that?

Jack,
Most of the tax experts that have looked at the tiny amount of information released by Romney have all stated that Romney's tax stragety is "questionable" at best.

J. Lane

Questionable at best I do not have a problem with and will agree it needs to be carefully looked at. But I m sure itwll be changed as all plan are to make it non questionable. Again we eed at least a plan and even questionabl is a tart. Do you not agree?

Amen.

And you Bristol02809 want to put all Jewish people into concentration camps.

There is no basis for that statement just like there is no basis for anything you have said and by the way can you get through one post without name calling.

pam,

Do you support Romney's proposed 40% cut in Pell grants? How about 40% off the top of Transportation? While increasing military by a trillion?

What a stupid comment , just beleive you think Romney will have seperate bathroom. tell me you are Democratic with no brain and keep voting the RI crooks in office. This state sucks and will go down the tubes in the next 10 years. We better wake up or under Obama social justic will be in a solicalist country I give up trying to convince you liberals.

Is this the most maturity you can summon up from the depths of your 'adult' being? Do you think you'll look back on your written words in ten years or so and honestly say to yourself: "Gosh, I'm truly proud of what I wrote about the other 50% of my fellow Americans who don't share the same opinion of politics as I do?"
May I suggest that you re-evaluate whether or not you fully understand and appreciate the meaning of the words, civility and tolerance.
I don't write this to be mean but rather to point out the sad direction political discourse has taken in this country.
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By the way, it was Bill Clinton who opened the doors to China taking our manufacturing jobs on a premise that the information / service economy was all America needed in the future.

RI has really prospered under that economic theory.

God Bless Ross Perot!

Actually Lorraine it was George H. W. Bush who opened the door.

Actually Robert and Lorraine it was Richard Nixon, least we forget the that he sent Kissonger to China and Nixon was the First American president to visit China and open trade with them. Just saying. lol

Though Robert I think Lorraine is confused on clinton as it was NAFTA she is thinking about which as Perot said, the big sucking sound you hear is Manufacturing and jobs going to Mexico. Which he was correct on.

Lorraine RI will never prosper, as we are proof the DEMS in total control creates stagnation and the worste business climate imaginable. The have totally controled this State for over 78 years. We ahve not and will never have real proparity as lng as they have total control, allowing nothing but their policies.

That I agree with as long as the they also understand that on some things there can be no compromise which invaribly water a plan down when it has hard choices to be made. If this is not done you merely kick the can down the road accomplishing next to nothing. That to me is what hasbeen the problem. Also spending like drunk sailors since 2004 under Bush and this current administration. You do not solve deficits by borrowing more, you solve them by cutting the budget and getting rid of what does not work and making a system that does work period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

Keep posting Bristol because the more you post the more bizarre you get and believe it or not you are helping out my side.

You obviously don't have a clue as to what you are talking about at all. First off, they aren't even under a "teabagger plan". They ripped off Ron Pauls platform with a bunch of crap they are never going to fulfill. Such as audit the fed, return to sound money, blah blah blah. All of them are funded and bribed by the big banks and insurance companies.

The one thing you did get right, but fail to understand is the Nazi Germany aspect, you're already living under it. You live in a Police State, a complete totalitarian police state. It just hasn't come to your doorstep yet, but it will. You have a sky that will soon have drones flying over your house. All of your emails, phone calls, texts are already monitored, and not to mention you can go anywhere publicly without your face being on a camera. The stormtroopers are already here and waiting, go look at any form of recent protest in the last 10 years. Not only stormtroopers, but ones that are out of control.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brutal-lapd-arrest-caught-video-department-investigating-cops-bodyslamming-nurse-cell-phone-traffic-stop-article-1.1146962

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR67yRQdOlo&feature=player_detailpage#t=35s

You need your meds

Your beloved O'Bama has increased our national debt by $5.349 trillion dollars since he took office. That is $16,000 more debt for every man, woman and child in our country.u

As if the common working class family isn't struggling enough to pay their own debt costs, O'Bama added another $64,000 to the debt that an average family of four is already overbured with.

And the really sad thing is that after racking up this additional $5 trillion dollars of debt, we have nothing to show for it. Nothing is better. We are worse off now tan we were 4 years ago.

We're still in a depression, people are still jobless in record numbers, the average family is drowning financially, companies are going out of business, cities and towns are bankrupt.

Yep, your guy O'Bama really did a great job!

When you have deadbeats like Romney who are not paying taxes of course the debt is going to increase.

Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. Romney regularly omits those statistics from his Massachusetts record, instead touting the fact that he balanced the state’s budget (he was constitutionally required to do so). He wouldn’t be much different as president: his proposed tax plan adds more than $10 trillion to the national debt.

The KKK!!?? Are you serious? When is this country going to stop with the racial BS! I have never owned a slave or hated anyone because of race!! Is it that I am not happy with Obama or the direction of this country that makes me a racist? I don't like Rush or Cheney!! I think they are a terrible face for the conservative base in America. I am not a Republican because I don't believe that most republicans are conservatives any more, and this is validated with the Romney/Ryan ticket. I also think that further gun control is not the answer. Most criminals do not legally own their fire arms, however you could defend yourself against them if you were armed. The fact that guns are viewed as a bad thing is the most preposterous notion I have ever heard. Do drunk drivers make alcohol bad? Of course not!! This country at a time where we should be banning together to make real change is getting lost in these little arguments that at the end of the day really do not account for anything. You are being robbed!! You are being robbed at gun point, don’t you understand that!!?? It is not the Republicans or the Democrats; IT’S BOTH!! None of them care about anything except for their own wealth!! When are we all going to wake up!!??

6 trillion over 8 years... Obama is looking to double what he has spent and at the bare minimum!! The problem is the debt, but the debt we have will never be paid off let’s face it! This country as hard as it is going to be needs to rid the bad assets and turn back to the gold standard!! It starts with making the hard choices to cut programs and departments, and then cut overseas spending. What are we doing supporting other countries when we cannot even support ourselves...

Jonathan,
Quite a bit of President Obama's 5 billion is due to Bush presidency tax cuts....remember them? Time to pay for them.

Oh, and the gold standard is a non-starter. It is impossible for a country, with an economy the size of ours, to revert to the gold standard.

The technical problem that switching to a gold standard now, given the amount of gold that currently exists in the world, would require gold’s value to be pegged at about $10,000 an ounce, instead of $1,500.

Why yes I do, and you think the tax cuts account for 5+Trillion dollars?? Also not being on the gold standard has devalued out dollar 97%... Read up on the numbers. You are correct about the 10K/oz though... See what happens to the price of gold when we continue down the road we are on and have one central world bank and one world currency... back up your assets in gold and silver while you can still afford it.

Jonathon,
The US dropped the "Gold Standard" in 1914. Your 97% number bases our dollars value compared to gold now and in 1914. This is not even close to reality.

If you want to compare it that way then go the extra step and look at the income difference between then and now. Annual income in 1913-14 was $400...today it is around $33,000. So while the dollar has lost value, we have far more of them to spend.

Bush tax cuts: estimates range from 1.35T to 3.15T, and does not include any of Bush's other stimulus packages such as TARP.

Solutions... You mean like the Romney 5 point plan.

The only real plan on the table right now.

Oh yes....Romney's 5 point plan.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/15/romney-economy-plan/
Smoke and mirrors, no substance.

Hear hear on that. lol I like the Swiss, mandatory to own a weapon of every adult citizen, and lets face it great fiscal plans.

" ...I like the Swiss,mandatory to own a weapon of every adult citizen, and lets face it great fiscal plans" Jack Baillargeron as on so many topics, your sagacity in Foreign affairs astounds...

It isn't all cuckoo clocks, chocolate and Heidi with an AR15, Jack - the public sector is VERY active in Swiss Fiscal plans. That's what you meant, right?

Including High tax rates http://www.taxrates.cc/html/switzerland-tax-rates.html, versus the US http://www.taxrates.cc/html/us-tax-rates.html a generous social safety net http://www.bsv.admin.ch/themen/ueberblick/00003/index.html?lang=en spending in line with defense rather than conquest http://tinyurl.com/8qu8vms
and real savings from Universal healthcare coverage http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/

You're right Jack, those are all great fiscal plans.
They sound a great deal like Obama's.

So nice to see you agree...

Swiss Military spending as percentage of GDP:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ms_mil_xpnd_gd_zs&idim=country:CHE&dl=en&hl=en&q=swiss+military+spending

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ms_mil_xpnd_gd_zs&idim=country:CHE&dl=en&hl=en&q=swiss+military+spending#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ms_mil_xpnd_gd_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=region:NAC&idim=country:CHE&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

Pull the tea bag off your head and take a good look.

Kim, look into Gary Johnson over a write in. As I personally do not agree with some of his views on the issues you may find something different.

Thanks Jonathan. I will look into him. I have never liked politics nor do i really want to like politics but I feel every vote is important to try to save our country. I also worry about the future of this country for my daughters sake. I want her to grow having fun and living as i did and not worrying about she will survive in the future. Thanks again for the info.

Do you know how wrong it is for you to say that?? How is voting for anyone throwing away a vote!!?? Rather than throwing cute little one liners around on a article we talk about the fundamentals of government? Why don't we discuss the role of government in our lives and the world?? Why don't we talk about anything!!?? We sling mud in these things like we are not actual human beings because we feel a sense of empowerment behind a computer screen... Why don't we ask WHY!? Why do you feel that way? Why are you not happy with what’s going on? And talk about supporting arguments in a adult manor rather than calling people racists and tea baggers and telling them that their vote, if given to anyone other than your candidate, is wasted!!?

maybe i will stay home as i have done in the past. I thought i would try to educate myself this year and but there is too much anger in politics. No wonder the world is in the shitter. But if i do vote regardless of who I vote for I feel it will be a bad choice because there is no "real" candidate running or that i know anyway. We need a candidate that isn't trying to sell themself. We need a candidate who shows authority and who will take the country by the you know whats and turn things around. I guess i need to wake from my dream. Too much he said she said. This party said this and that party didn't do that. Maybe i should put my vote on the Mayans for their views on 2012.

The hardest thing to believe about that comment is that it came from a candidate for public office.

How do you ever expect the voters to take you seriously Joe?

Joe is a public figure!!! I didn't respect you before now I will be campaign against you!! Who is your opposition? Never mind I will find them on my own thanks... Thank you for the info Bristol... not that I am very fond of you either... Some of your comments are out there!! :)

Lorraine,
Do you understand the difference between a trading partner and off-shoring jobs?

J

Of course I understand what a partner is. You give the partner $4 and the partner gives you back $3 (expressed in $ hundreds of billions).

When you do that every year for a decade it comes out to, hmmm, a $1 trillion dollar trade imbalance. We need more partners like that.

Of course I do understand that they are investing in our future by purchasing our debt, but that's OK too.

Because someday when they pull back and we drop to our knees, we can be real happy we had a "partner".

J -

I was illustrating numbers in my last post to make a point. The actual trade deficit with China in 2011 was $295 billion.

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/us-china-trade.htm

Do that long enough and it actually adds up to real money.

That’s wrong first off from a grammar point of view, and secondly because therein lies the problem. When you allow these candidates to raise funds that could feed an entire 3rd world country they are going to be getting the majority of the funds from corporations... The corporations and banks are going to want something in return for their investment because it’s not like it’s a tax write off. There people spend millions and millions on nothing! You do not need a party to run for office, and if you cannot get funds raised for a campaign then obviously your views are not accepted by the people you want votes from, and you should not continue running...

Joe: I agree. Whether one agrees with the tea party or not, they seem to have been able to make a difference. Join a party and change or build a platform.
People who believe staying home or doing a write-in is going to effect any kind of change are naive....and lazy.

I am sorry Joe are you talking to me?

Then how did the recession start in 2007? President Obama wasn't elected yet.

"He is extremely incompetent in financial matters."

We reading off the same charts, Joe? http://currencythoughts.com/2012/01/26/u-s-economic-performance-under-obama-and-bush43-2/

You might not actually read through all the graphs, but it turns out the Obama administration has made measurable progress.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/09/applying-romneys-rules-to-obamas-economy/

I believe your real complaint is that the profits from this have not trickled down to us
outside of the Financial sector...or those with offshore wealth avoiding taxes.
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/

We're in an economic mess because the Republican congressional caucus takes great pains to block every initiative forwarded by the Obama administration.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnells-cheerful-cynicism/2011/10/24/gIQAR45dCM_blog.html

You're own party is traitorous, and libel.

J lane it is his fault no matter what. He is a bad man and is to blame for just about all the evils in our modern world including non existent global warming and the troubles in Isreal.

J Maybe you have not seen my other posts... Maybe I have not said it enough... ONE PERSON/PARTY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE!! They are both horrible and you think you are on the right side of a double sided coin... WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Hey Joe how is that banner thing going in Cranston oh thats right you lost that one also. Too bad your always on the wrong side of an issue.

Good lord.

I agree with Joe, for once.
The Chinese have leaped to manufacturing prominence by enslaving a generation of sweatshop workers and fouling their own environment.

" If they want to put their goods on our shelves meet our environmental standard ,period" Sounds like the same cure, to me.

The Nu-Chrome closure wouldn't happen in mainland China - money would pass
and the plant would walk away from the mess left in a poor neighborhood - um...

It's the same old story, a business gets large and profitable enough that the owners
move someplace else (with clean air and water) to avoid the pollution.

At that point, environmental concerns become fixed costs.
It's not as if anyone is suggesting we should lower standards - are they?

WOW ,I'd vote for that . Great point ,

Bristol as we may disagree on many things throughout the patch this is something that we are not!! Please contact me because I also would like to take action against Joe as a public figure. I will be contacting all of the members of office and campaign groups I am in contact with. Joe your stupidity is beyond my grasp. If you are going to make comments like this then you should have created a name other than you own!!

http://tivertoncc.com/page/3/

I will be getting in contact with Tiverton... Now I have to find out who is running against him so I can support them :)

Mr. Keith-It is quite refreshing to find someone such as yourself on this blog who can have a civilized debate, even with another person who may not share their views.

For your information, Mr. Sousa is a current elected official (Tiverton Budget Committee), and a current declared candidate for elected office (Tiverton Town Council).

As far as taking action against Mr. Sousa as a public figure, that is a decision only you can make, but suffice it to be said, you would not be the first person to do so.

Mr. Keith-Below is the link from the Secretary of State's office showing the candidates for Tiverton Town Council in the upcoming election:

http://sos.ri.gov//candidates/search/?set_language=en&muni_id=33&citySearch=Search

That’s what politics are all about. You may have differences but when you are agree you come together and make change happen. The last part is forgotten more times than not. Maybe we should go to the next city council meeting... I am sure Tiverton would would love to know what Mr. Sousa is doing all day while collecting tax dollars as income... Do you know who is running against him and in what ward he may be in? I am on meetup now looking for tiverton groups. Many people may have been upset but I am a Ron Paul supporter... Do you know hoe much dedication and patience it took for me to call people in RI for 6 hours and knock on doors in the Brown area of Providence on top of calling in countless other states... I get on something and I don't get off until it is over. We have 66 days?? That should be enough time... :)

Someone you do not want to be associated with, let alone vote for... :)

That, Mr. Ward is the $64,000 question, but with a few minutes of your time and a few keystrokes at your computer, it is relatively easy to find out about Joe Sousa and his "colorful" and "checkered" past.

He's an example of who goes into politics when educated people don't bother.

JWJ you haqve no business on this site, get back in your own back yard, or im telling daddy your straying. Havent you caused enought trouble !

" I want to see my children have the ability to become adults who can make their own choices, right or wrong just without government interference."

So, you'll also instruct them to avoid hospitals where the doctors were trained on a Medicare stipend, stay off roads built with DOT oversight and stay off the internet?

This generation of voter seems to think that private interests built all this stuff.
Anyone care to guess what the average age at death was for men and women, prior to the WPA? Any guesses how far from their place of birth they travelled?

"Why does our government make it so that getting a part time or entry-level position pays less than not working at all?" That sounds like truthiness...can you back up this claim?

I would say that the reason entry level wages are so low is the global race to the bottom on wages. In that case, you're asking the wrong question.

Perhaps a better question would be, if industry won't spend money training workers to be competitive during your children's lifetimes - who will?

If you're going to avail yourself of community property, taxation and laws are the
cost paid for civilization - and it's a bargain at the price.

Don't want to buy in? Then move house off to Galt's gulch and take your baggage
with you, Ryanthegirl.

@Naome....What? First, where do you get that I will “instruct” my child to avoid hospitals, doctors, roads and the Internet? How do you read anything other that I have stated? You are reading way to far into what I am stating. Are you by nature a paranoid person? The dated ideology that I should raise children who should feel entitled to anything is what is wrong with our country. They should feel pride not prejudice if they become successful at work, home or in any other aspect of life.

Yes I can back up my claim (I did have to look up the word “truthiness” and found it related to Colbert – a show which I have never seen). I have two family member that were laid off from medium wage jobs (one here in RI and the other in NJ). He in RI, he was collecting 60% of his pay from unemployment, which was not enough to support his wife and two children, even with his wife working full time. He had been looking for four months and found a part time job and took it. What do you think happened…his unemployment was withdrawn because he was “over the number” fortunately that part-time job was with a small business (hard to believe we have any left) and the owner took him on full time. Although, that full time job was only 80% of his past pay it was enough for him to not loose his family’s home. He lives in Cranston and pays 22.84 per $1000 for property taxes, if that goes up again he may loose the house anyway.

“This generation of voters” or me wants smaller government. It is funny that you mention WPA, as a history major in college I would like you to elaborate on your thoughts. Also be aware that from April to August of 1935 the national debt doubled to a mere, 30 billion dollars and the unemployment rate dropped slightly from 25 to 17%. We are currently in a national debt crisis not seen since the 20-year jump of 1929 to 1949 (national debt went from 17 billion to 252 billion).Also, the WPA was not just about hiring unskilled manual labor workers; vocational schools came into play teaching art, music, literature, theater etc. to all. The WPA gave most control to states and towns with the government contributing 10-30% of public money spent. Is the idea that the WPA had a strong belief that a household should only have one adult or "bread winner" in the workforce or is it the pay structure where a skilled worker works less hours and is paid more that you like? My ancestors were told it would cost the country around 5 billion when in reality it cost close to 15. My great grandfather immigrated to this country by way of Canada where he worked on the Canadian railroad for 8 years before moving his family to Boston and becoming Governor Fuller’s chauffer for 20 years with my great grandmother working as the families, housekeeper, nanny, seamstress and Mrs. Fuller’s personal confidante. I would like you to explain what you think was positive about the WPA ideology.

If you can't support your claim, "Why does our government make it so that getting a part time or entry-level position pays less than not working at all?" then its like so much of what passes for "fact" from the indignant right wing.

You go on to say that your own family member received the equivalent of 60% of his previous pay level from Unemployment insurance. That's less, is it not?

The WPA put people to work when no private industry would hire or train labor.
It also put people like Historians on the roles, to chronicle those efforts.
http://www.broward.org/library/bienes/lii10204.htm

Among smaller projects, things like the LaGuardia airport were built by the WPA.

The point is that some projects are too large for private enterprise to undertake, as they're not profitable. The ROI is so far into the future that only the federal government is large enough to subsidize cost until tax revenues balance.

That's deficit spending, and it's how countries grow.

My point, which is so obvious as to be glaring, is that governments build the scaffolding that makes most commerce possible. If your issue is with local tax burdens, that's one thing.

If it's with a growing underclass of people that can't find meaningful work -
you're solution would be what? Throw them out on the street?

" You are reading way to far into what I am stating. Are you by nature a paranoid person?" Not particularly. I just have a low tolerance for this sort of crap.

"The dated ideology that I should raise children who should feel entitled to anything is what is wrong with our country." I don't know anyone teaching their kids to do this, do you? You may think that generations of hopeless people want to live this way, but do you know any?

I would argue that the impunity with which the financial sector evaded tax, plundered my savings and pushed for two unfunded wars is what's wrong.

They're using my money to fund fear-mongers on TV to poison you against your neighbors. Those same SuperPACS then point you to vote for their interests.

The worst part, is that you (and so many others) are eager to believe this.

Michael Higgins better said what I think of this flinty notion that since you're having a hard way to go (since the work has migrated to slave wage countries) that those with less should go without, entirely?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/michael-d-higgins-takes-down-michael-graham_n_1825812.html

If you're angry because your tax burden is too high, and you see no work coming
you should be asking where the profits from all the US productivity went in the last 30 years. Most of it is sitting quietly, next to Mitt Romney's stash in Switzerland.

Take a deeper look, and you'll find your anger has been misdirected toward the people most afflicted by this tax evasion on a grand scale.

Or, you could just swill the bile fed to you by the Tea Party.

@Naome can you post on every topic on the patch. I used your quote " that governments build the scaffolding that makes most commerce possible." today Even with a room full of 250 dems your quote made the best jokes! Thank You again.

I am thinking of turning the media onto this story... These openly sexist remarks I am sure would be of interest at least to the local newspaper if nothing else... :) Bristol how emotionally upset are you over the remarks that were made towards you?

He is NO libertarian please never associate him with what I believe in again, thanks :P lol. We believe in open fairness, trade, peace, and individualism. Everyone has a say because that's what this country was intended for. Mr. Sousa only seems to care about what he has to say... Every vote counts EVERY voice should be heard!!

What makes you think Bristol02809 is Ken Marshall?

Just curious because of Bristol's somewhat direct posts. And who is Ken Marshall?

Never mind, I just googled Ken Marshall's name.

So what makes you think Bristol02809. I don't see it

You are not helping your case... You are a political hack... As I have indicated prior please do not reference me again in your posts or I will start to flag them as inappropriate for harassment. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Live free and have a great life.

"You are so far below me I can scratch my toes and your head at the same time."

Oooo.... so BADass!
"That's why I support the Tea Party. It is full of people like me."
I couldn't have said it better, myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7_3o3BrI

You got one thing right you are a teabagger to the core!

Flagged, and this is change the country does not need, just like the tea party. You are a disgrace to your voters and I will let them know as much as I can.. Preliminary feedback from people I have spoken with already is that they already know all about you sir... I am originally from your area and know many people... I am reaching out... God Bless America for it's freedoms and inalienable rights... Bristol and Kim's right to publicly speak and vote!!

"You will be ridiculed along the way but in the end we will see change in our State and Country. I'm in it for the long haul." I suppose it depends on what you're hauling.

Something stinks, Joe.

True, can't accomplish much with your head only out of the sand for a couple weeks a year ;-}.

Yea Brendan Doherty has my vote as well. Hinkley have not met, But I would never vote for shellybelly lol.

Did you lick theyr'e boots too? You must have been like a little girl at Beiber concert! LMAO

Dan,

I enjoyed reading your post, but quite frankly, what distinguishes your post from many of the others? I agree some would profit from actually stating a position or facts.

I'm in agreement that we are in a stealth depression. Take away the money printing and borrowing, and bingo, America was just laid off.

The day we get that layoff notice is the day China closes its money lending doors because they are pi$$ed off they didn't their way in the South China Sea (we don't finance our own debt as you are probably aware).

Deb let me correct you on at least one thing, It wasn't Chaffee who made the deal with 38 studios. It was Gov Don ( Cheat on my wife while she has cancer) Carcieri!! It was Chaffee who fought against it!! Just the facts ? Plus I think Eastwood has lost his mind..even Romneys wife and sons were squirming..watch the tape

Considering the speakers, I'll be watching little or none of it:

Rahm Emanuel... skip
John Kerry... really skip
Deval Patrick... maybe
Jimmy Carter... no, thanks
Elizabeth Warren... really, really skip
Bill Clinton... maybe if I'm not doing something better on Wednesday

The rest of the speakers I didn't recognize. Won't be much conversation next week.

Realistic

Don't you mean Bruce Sundlun?

Rhode Island delegates to the Republican National Convention sought to distance themselves from former Republican Gov. Donald L. Carcieri's role in the taxpayer-backed $75-million loan to the now-bankrupt 38 Studios of former baseball star Curt Schilling

Realistic voter, If you are going to correct people on the facts maybe you should check your own. That was Govenor Sundlun (a democrat) who cheated on his wife after a bad car accident and John Edwards who cheated on his wife while she had cancer. Govenor Carcieri never cheated on his wife.

Realistic voter, that was a huge gaffe you made and we are still waiting for your apology.

RI is bluer that Mass and you are 100% right that the General Assembly is the problem. They control the pursestrings - the Governor can only spend what they allow him too - and they have the complete ability to undertake Oversight of Gevernment (and Quasi-government Agencies) - yet there are no hearing on many issues with agencies. They have the "slush fund" of grants where President Paiva-Weed gives money to the Tennis Hall of Fame and the Tall Ships Festival ...they have documented "no-show" employees like the nephew of a Cranston Rep . .. they have a Chief of Staff who makes almost $165,000 managing 200+ people and a part time legislature. The US Congress has a Chief Administrative Officer who make about $170,000 managing 1000 employees and a $125 million budget.

Most people - Could you support that with date or poll Jack. I think that is your opinion only.

One DSilvaI do not support polls at all, anyone who votes by poll is an idiot in my opinion, it like reading a bad movie review and base seeing the movie on that.

Of course it is my opinion this is a blog of opinions. All the news coverage and things I have read since Obama made that has been small businesses up in arms over that. Not to mention it was an arogant and condensending remard to people who built their own businesses.

What that numnut of a pres does not get is that those same taxpayers paid for what he thinks the government built and no one mentions that. That means they built all that also. Yes it is a socialist remark he made, because that is the thinking that the government is mother and father and you cannot take credit for anything as the government supplies you everything. Also disgusting in my opinion to religate people to the sidelines like they accomplish nothing without help from the government.

Do you believe that you hade nothing to do with creating a child if you have one? Was it the hospital that created it, if it was a government built hospital? That is the insanity of that premise for me anyway. Total BS.

A little footnot to that also is, the only people trying to explain it as being true are some suppoters of Obama. Funny how he and the adminisration and the powers that be in the DEM party are not say anything about it now. Why? Because they know it was an insane comment also and cannot be defended to reasonable thinkers in my opinion also.

Just another division tactic in this sad election cycle that bothsides frankly have been doing. But right now I give Credit for the gOP sticking to he issue that nees the most attention. That is the economy period.

Thank you for clarifying that you have no idea what "most poeple" are aware of regarding the comment.

Thank you for not having an opinion of a statement of debate. Accomplishes nothing, but hey nothing from nothing is after all nothing lol.

By the way Dsilva, after doing a little looking. It would seem that you make the same kind of statement about most people. Yet you deride mine. why is that and what is the difference? I do not see any. I think you are reading a little to much into my post ;-}

As you say, once in cyber space always in cyber space, which is true lol.

DSilva
9:42 am on Saturday, October 8, 2011

For every 100 people that complain, there are usually hundreds more behind them that feel exactly the same way. In terms of participation, that is a lot of people to actually take the time to log their complaint.

DSilva
9:31 am on Wednesday, August 24, 2011

Thank you Adam. It is important to hear from owners such as your self in our communities. Most people would agree that they do not want big box

DSilva
11:01 am on Sunday, April 17, 2011

Being respectful doesn't mean being nice or being complacent - sad that most people don't know how to pursue an issue without resulting to yelling or name calling or storming out.

By the way, not an attact just for clarity lol. Just saying

Jack, your ignorance is showing.

Or will you again insist that NASA was a private concern?
This assertion that private concerns built the backbone of American commerce is dense, even for you. You're entitled to an opinion, but not your own facts, Jack.

For all your bellyaching about "captains of industry" most of your daily purchases travel on roads built with public money, lighted by a TVA installed power line,
drained by a municipal sewer. Does anyone here think the NAVY sells cupcakes
to pay firefighters, too? Taxation redistributes earnings to pay for things individuals either can't afford or don't consider valuable.

As frequently springs to mind when reading your submissions, the Federal Relief and Reconstruction act of 1932 made municipal sewers available to underserved locations that dealt with an excess of excrement.

As you are an expert in these matters, I leave the perusal of the historic record
in your capable hands: http://www.nber.org/chapters/c9982.pdf

http://newdeal.feri.org/tva/tva10.htm

As I said the last time Naome, NASA does not build anything, private industry does. Just because the government spends taxpayers funds, does not mean the built it. You can say they administrate contracts, which is why they are an administration. Thats about it. All tech comes from private industry, individuals and research by pivate industry and individuals. Only the military is different due to war advancing many techs because of the nature of war.

The statement of "you didn't build that by Obama is a lie plain and simple, not to mention one of the stupidous things ever said by a president or anyone for that matter. In ase you have no noticed, none of the posters have stood by you that people do not build businesses, I suspect. Because of how asinine that sounds lol.

Also weird view you have there on taxation. You may continue your insults now. But I am done talking about the ignorant that only our government builds things. That is just to ignorant for anyone to believe.

Do you honestly believe this tripe, Jack?

Do you believe that private industry wanted to go to the moon?
- OR - Build bridges, or roads, or sanitary works?

Do your really believe that every private invention sprang fully formed from the mind of the inventor and into a product or service? Name one that doesn't depend on a public conveyance, built by leadership with the foresight to invest in a future.

Cranks like you deny their vision and attempt to rewrite the history books so you can duck the check after you have used up more than your share.

You have an opinion, true enough - you're just another detractor, whinging away online, clearly an expert on all things "arogant and condesending".

Infrastructure -
The term typically refers to the technical structures that support a society, such as roads, water supply, sewers, electrical grids, telecommunications, and so forth, and can be defined as "the physical components of interrelated systems providing commodities and services essential to enable, sustain, or enhance societal living conditions.

FYI - You calling someone else a troll is genuinely funny.

blah blah blah, naome. The last vestage of a poster when they have lost the argiment is to resort to name calling of the other poster as they say. That you are sucessfull at.

Only one rewriting history is or at least attempting too, is you. Perhaps you should read up on what a little thing called the American Revolution. In doing that you will realize the King George thought the way you and Obama do. That he built everything and the people were meely workers for him.

Thankfully he and the tory thinkers like you were defeated. It is still today as it was then an insane argument that only the government builds something. I am done arguing this with someone who by all accounts has a closed tunnel vision mind on this issue and cannot see how illogical that statement of "you did not build that" is.

Last example. By your definition nothing is created by humans without government.

To go back to the original post of sarcasm tht got you so worked up. I.E.

(Geeze Naome, quit with "you didn't build that talk" most people are aware that is Obama BS.

What are you an architect looking to design roads and bridges contracts for the Government lol.).

So Icalled you an architect looking for government work basicly as a joke. I can only assume on tat fromt, that you are lol. Good luck with that.

You post here, at 1:30AM on a Sunday morning?

Don't trolls live in the dark, waiting for unsuspecting prey?
I'm genuinely flattered that you would put so much effort into your discourse.

It would be nice if it had a basis in fact, or some reference point (like a dictionary).

If you cast a broad enough net along the ocean floor, you're likely to catch something - the trick is in convincing anyone that it's what your were after.

I fear you're just another lonely, pointless white guy with nothing but the long march toward oblivion before you. You should thank us for providing such sport.

How's that government pension check, these days?
Wish I could be retired at 57...and on the board of Patch.org...

Very well said Naome. Someone such as Jack Baillargeron, who is posting at a time when 99.9% of the populace is sleeping so they'll be rested up for WORK (something foreign to King Jack), surely has a few screws loose.

On top of it, he has the gall to insult and berate anyone who has an opinion that differs from his own. It's pretty obvious he's only on the Patch to start fights with other posters.

Finally, he has the nerve to call other people trolls-time to move the mullet out of your eyes and look in the mirror Jack-there you'll find the real troll.

Well Naome, you have proven one thing. Either you are married to the resident troll or are just another of the many names the troll posts under. Probably the latter.

You know nothing of me obviously and your bating is not working, just like the other troll attempts for over 2 years now. Lie all you want about me, it merely shows you ignorance in any case. Done with you and your pundit and lack of facts links.

Naome Lixes; is now an example of”Internet Troll”.

“An (Internet troll) is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
...

I suppose it must horrify Jack to know that more than one person dislikes cranks.

I'm sure Jack likes his cranks just fine, but that's not really a day job.
It's just plain tiresome to have old, retired white guys bloviate beyond their pay grade, on every topic. It must be nice to have a reserved seat at the sandbox...

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1765593623&targetid=profile

"Lie all you want about me, it merely shows you ignorance in any case. Done with you and your pundit and lack of facts links." Jack Bailargeron

You mean things like NASA being a government enterprise and Switzerland
being a stable socialist society? Refute the facts, then.
Let's have an intelligent discussion, if you're able.

For once.

Thanks for reminding me Naome, I forgot to mention your being racist. I actually am mixed race, just like your hero Obama. So thanks for showing that you are racist like the other guy also.

That is also one of the reasons that race baiting like you seem to enjoy, will not work on me. Why your ilk thinks breaking down everyone to whether they are white, black, yellow, red etc and calling then one color or another that teir skin may be, merely shows you have no clue what a melting pot America is. Unlike the tribal so called multi-culturism of Europe that has failed and is currently being dismantled.

Your spin on my views and what I actualy said, though funny are lies plain and simple. But that also is the typical thinking of people who are willing to enslave others, in order to put their domination of society by government in place. Sad really, but never happen in this Country. I am sure you will keep trying though. Lets face it your ilk has no clue when you are wrong or have lost the battle lol. It is also quite obvious you have no clue about who I am or know anything about me at all.

There now I am done lol.
...

Jack why is everyone who disagrees with you a troll or the same person posting with many names in. It seems that every time someone calls you on your BS you resort to some childish attack. You just had your points destroyed by Naome with a fact based argument but you dig in your heels and resort to calling her a racist. What is it she said to lead you to that conclusion. You are posting 24 hours a day and calling other people trolls. Open the windows or climb out of the basement and emerge into the sunlight, and try to face some truth.

"Your spin on my views and what I actualy said, though funny are lies plain and simple." You haven't made one verifiable citation for any of your "facts".
You can't recall or link to a specific "quote".

There's nothing funny about what this level of idiocy has done to this great Republic in the name of "taking America back" while your handlers laugh behind your back. Those of us that actually value our neighbors, clean air and a promising future for our kids have for too long tolerated views like yours that are being floated as "the American way". What you remember is an America that never was, Jack.

Those of us that actually read history books and check facts see a different world.
We're concerned that this time, they might pull it off...with you "Patriots" cheering them on from the sidelines. http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4885

It's a video, so you don't have to claim TLDNR.
Recognize any familiar names?

"There now I am done lol." Cap'n. Jack
If only.

"There now I am done lol." Captain Jack.
If only.

First off Bigmanny, no offence but it is none of your business how many post I put out. It is a free country is it not? Second; the only troll I hve bee dealing with, though it does use a few other names, is the same one who has been harrassing me for over 2 years on this site and others. Also my business.

The racist remark is because Naome keeps saying I am an "old white man". Only people I know who talk like that are racist because they think the color of someone matters. If they don't then why say it?

Didn't call Naome a troll the at first, said she is either married to the main troll who has an infatuaation with me of is yet another incarnation of that person. I really don't care. All she or it does is throw out insults and links of meanless drivel to me.

Free to doso, but I am free as well, and I do not tolerate race baiting from anyone even though with my ancestry I have more of a right to be prejudiced then anyone in this Country. I however subscibe to the hell with the past wrongs and move on to the future. Holding and teaching hate, accomplishes nothing period.

Your assumption of a basement is not different then their rhetoric. I love how people like you and them hide behind anonymous names, to scared to reveal how hateful you are to your friends. Well you have the right to e anonymous and I do not care about it, except when people like you and them do personal attacks, that sure doesn't make you big, just insignificant.

What you propose is totoltarism at best, nazism at worst. Get a new idea, that one is dispicable in a free society and total violation of what the country was founded on. Shame on you and you are not any kind of republican supporter I know for sure. That is exactly what Card Check is andopposed by every GOP member I know of. Geeze talk about cutting off your nose despite your face. Should delete that one guy. Just saying

You're actually running for mayor with this viewpoint? That anyone who is a liberal is a screwball? Or that everyone involved in a union is a liberal? Just what planet did you come from? Methinks that you are the screwball here! Unions and liberals are not inherently bad.

Or don't vote for evil at all. And Caps Lock is not your friend.

I refuse to do that... I did it in 2008, and will not settle again. I want someone who will do what is needed in this country and neither person of the two party system is where they need to be for my vote... I am either not voting as I have in the past, writing in Ron Paul, or turning to Gary Johnson...

First, it's not a documentary, it's an adaptation of the authors book.

Second, you should look at some of the other movies that have been #1. Ticket sales do not indicate accuracy, or anything else for that matter

I don't understand why you say it's No. 1. The link you provided says it's No. 5 at the box office.

Stealing Ron White's handle is insulting to a working comedian, and sad.

You're not fit to carry his ashtray. Sluggo should bite your saggy ass.
Get your facts right, while you're at it, dumbass.

(Anyone that thinks Breitbart.com is anything but an attack dog for the Kochs...)

Scarcely any mention of the obscene amounts of defense spending adding to debt.

When you consider that Social security is already a "Pay as you go" program that does not borrow - the numbers look like this:

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Social services look like debt when the collections earmarked for one purpose are shifted to pay for others, namely military operations that did not get Congressional
funding, per the War Powers act.

Anybody remember how fast the Soviet Union collapsed after Afghanistan?

I'm not from Bristol, but in agreement that if someone is going to support a candidate, best not to say things that show a negative image.

I don't like a "Kenny" image. Sounds too much like "Eddie Haskell goes to Smith Hill" (for anyone under 40, please Google "Leave it to Beaver").

I would like to think "candidate Marshall" is a better choice of words.

Thanks for your response.

Well perhaps you should look back at her or ots posts, might want to look at your own, you are both 2 of a kind when confronted with reality. But then you knew that.

"Fact... Look at your 401K, look at all your neighbor's house that are now bank owned, look at how many Americans who are out of work...." I did, and I do now.

Funny how the people who raided my 401k look a great deal like Mitt Romney.
They must all have the same tailor.

"By the same token with this country being broken to flat lined, he has to take the responsibility that he failed, he just couldn't do the job, he failed."
Every jobs bill has been rejected by the Republican caucus, at the urging of Mitch McConnell http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/10/mcconnell-stopping-obamas-re-election-still-single-most-important-goal/

These are the same people that brought the Treasury to the brink of default.
This party is traitorous, expensive and liable for your litany of complaints, Ed.

And you want to vote FOR them?

"Facts speak for themselves and I can't see wasting another four years for the rich to get richer, and the rest of Americans struggle.... Think about it.."

Quite right, vote for Romney so they can finish off the carcass and be done.
It's ironic, on Labor day, that someone clearly out of the loop would gladly hand over the keys to the kingdom to the same crew that robbed us blind.

NL... You have to get your head out of the cave and see what is reality.

If Obama ran a Fortune 500 Company, he wouldn't ahve even lasted 4 years before being canned.

I don't care what Romney looks like, he's getting my vote and I'm a die-hard Democrat, enough is enough...

Thank you Robert E for pointing out the reality of this structural problem which I believe actually goes back as far as Reagan (both Congress and Presidents).

Until we understand that this is a structural problem and not a party problem, we will not get out of this. Neither party presents common sense solutions to correct our appetite for over spending and over promising.

It's like pretending the RI pension problem began only 12 years ago in 2000 (had to get that out).

He's an example of who enters politics when intelligent people don't bother.

It has been said that "nature abhors a vacuum", but a thick enough skull screens
out pesky interference with 'truthiness'.

Merriam-Webster's #1 Word of the Year for 2006:

1. truthiness (noun)

1 : "truth that comes from the gut, not books" (Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central's "The Colbert Report," October 2005)

2 : "the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true" (American Dialect Society, January 2006)

This is what the Tea Party is all about, JW jr,

"Don't shoot the messenger" I only relay the bad news .Obama killed the Economy.

Ever been to a tea party meeting, Naomi? Some really nice people are members...in fact, the vast majority. They have shaken up the Republican establishment and brought new energy and ideas. They are, in general, polite, knowledgeable, and want the gov't to stop spending more money than it takes in. Some people call that extreme, but I call it common sense.

I've also met the ows crowd. Lots of passion, cherry-picked "facts" from extreme blog sites, sure they were smarter than everyone else...but not a lot of critical thinking or acceptance of differing points of view. I think you'd be comfortable there.

Here's some Obama jobs,woops no I guess not.

A company that served as a showcase for the Obama administration’s effort to create jobs in clean technology shut down Wednesday, leaving 1,100 people out of work and taxpayers obligated for $535 million in federal loans.

Solyndra, a California solar panel maker, had long been an administration favorite. Over the past two years, President Obama and Energy Secretary Steven Chu each had made congratulatory visits to the company’s Silicon Valley headquarters.
Washington Post.

Here's some jobs Obama can save , Woops he sat on his hands
General Electric has closed its last major factory making incandescent light bulbs in the United States, a victim of a 2007 law banning sale of the light bulbs by 2014. Environmental activist groups promised the restrictions would create green jobs, but workers at GE’s Winchester, Virginia plant are finding the law is merely creating red jobs overseas in China.
Heartland Institut

Not forgetting this no job program.
The Obama Administration killed the Keystone Pipeline project today.
Up next is the coal industry.
New EPA regulations will force 32 coal plants to close their doors putting hundreds of Americans out of work.

The latest move by the EPA will force new regulations on 26 states. The new rules will kill thousands of jobs, cost billions of dollars and increase electricity rates for every family.
AP.

Prediction about new hires. About 50 percent of employers ­— especially the six million small- and medium-sized businesses in the U.S. — are hiring part-time workers to avoid the costs associated with Obama’s health care overhaul. They are concerned over the possibility of benefit programs, particularly health care, that really inhibits them from hiring people.They want to avoid that kind of benefit and they are being very careful about hiring.
Boston Business.

$16 trillion in debt.
14 million unemployed
43 million on foodstamps
$1 trillion wasted on so-called stimulus
bogus "shovel-ready" jobs
$2.6 trillion wasted on Obamacare that the majority don't want or need that still leaves 30 million uninsured.

It’s worth pointing out that another Massachusetts-based solar company that then-Gov. Romney gave taxpayer funds to — Evergreen Solar — filed last year for bankruptcy protection.

Mitt left Ma. in debt over one billion dollars. While he we governor he also took Ma. from the 35th state in job creation(not great) and left Ma. in the 47th position. Look it up. He couldn't handle one state. I shudder to think what he would do to the entire country

Obama created Government jobs with the largest employment in that sector in decades. Adding almost a million jobs to the Federal employment ranks.
Romney will create private sector jobs by getting Government out of the way. The jobs created by his energy bill will be in the millions and lower energy costs . That will help all businesses . The path to fix America is clear for all to see. Except for the ultra lib's.

@ Naome Thank You, I love this kind of material!! All your statements on this one patch article are guaranteeing me an A on my thesis! Keep going…please! Do you what to know the title? Not that it would matter if I told you because you don't read responses, just post your assumptions of people and even with a response you choose not to comprehension or misconstrued it. You posted a link a from huffington LMAO!! Thanks again!!

Truthiness again?? I had to google that word!! ....you watch way to much T.V.! Colbert? What is his label? The uban dictionary, where I found that word, doesn't give him a label....please explain.

@Ryanthegirl

Have you also noticed links to Fox, the US gov't and the BBC?

I did notice, just don't care, they didn’t post on my comment or give me a false label. I posted my point and then backed it up your questions with my real life story but you read it the way you wanted to and then gave me a label. The label you gave me was wrong.

Keystone will do nothing but funnel more money into Canada it will do nothing for the U.S. all it does is move Canadian oil to the gulf for export overseas it does nothing to help us here in the U.S. why are you so pro-Canadian insted of pro-U.S.

snapshots of Obama’s and Pres. Ronald Reagan’s post-recession recoveries, 27 months after each downturn hit bottom. In September 2011, on Obama’s watch, non-farm payrolls had grown 0.6 percent, yielding 841,000 jobs since June 2009. Under the tax-cutting, business-boosting Reagan, non-agricultural employment swelled 8.7 percent, generating 7.7 million new jobs.

President Obama added 140,000 workers to the Federal payroll in his first 18 months of office.[xxiv] The number of Americans on food stamps went from 26 million before the recession to 46 million in 2011.[xxv] This is what Obama really meant by "distribute the wealth:" the Federal government uses its power to hire workers and expand a welfare population dependent on the Federal government, thus keeping the government in power

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08

Your source for 'facts' is the American Thinker?

Aren't these the same people that concluded that "the National Intelligence Estimate was cooked up by bureaucrats eager to embarrass George Bush and transform US policy towards Iran."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Thinker

That's your source?

If you can challenge a fact, please do so.

Plenty of dead weight here, already.

I can't challenge wiki and huffington. I haven't watched T.V. in years or read bias articles ever. When it comes to WIki did you see "ryanthegirl" invented "soft" toilet paper in 2010? I would have just put TP then but someone else beat me to it. Damn them!!

They are, for me.

Too bad for you, that's "Free market enterprise" is it not?
Maybe you should get a new job? Start up a new business?

Thanks for staying up so late to deliver THIS gem...

A single member of congress has a miniscule influence on actual employment figures.

No, Obama did not have control over both houses his first two years.

Come on Ray; obviously they had control as Pelosi was Speaker of the house and Reid leader of the Senate along with the VP biden the tie breaker in for the senate. Unless the rules were different then only the party in power has the leadership role. I.E. Bohner right now in the House and Reid still leader of the Senate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senators caucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes. No Democratic-held seats had fallen to the Republican Party in the 2006 elections. Democrat Nancy Pelosi became the first woman Speaker of the House.

Also Obama could have a lot of control in the Senate, 1 vote one way or the other has been the decider for years now in the senate due to bicker by both sides.

Didn't we used to sing that around the campfire, in scouts?

Joe missed that part, making bear traps and tinfoil hats.

14. Intelligence
Vote not for O'Bama

-Joe The Plumber

Joe the Plumber how is that banner thing going for you. Always on the wrong side of an issue

Joe doesn't deal in facts so he can't backup what he posts so he has to call people names. Jow how about those 12 do nothing teachers it is already a new school year and you have not answered that one yet. IC FAT Idiotic Creaton Faking Any Talent

There's an intelligent debate here?

Where, exactly? There's are a great many bogus claims debunked, above.
Precious little debate, really.

It's not as if Jack, the other Joe and yourself actually contribute.

"All at the hands of the controlling democratic party which has corrupted this state for decades." When, exactly was Obama part of this?

"It is actually insulting that they think we are that dumb."
Well, if you keep posting drivel - people will draw conclusions.

So your typical elite liberal attitude is that the tens of thousands of Rhode Islanders that are jobless and looking for their next meal and dreading the first of the month when they do not know if they are going to make their bill payments........ They are just too dumb to be able to get a job. According to the elite liberals, if they only got some education or training they would be fully employed.

Naomi, that is the worst lie and insult yet.

No Naomi what is insulting to us working class and unemployed is people like you sucking at the government teat taking our tax dollars spouting moral and intellectual superiority, and supporting your liberal agendas that enslave us.

Get off your soapbox and wake up to the fact that while you can boast "I am. My house value has risen, my 401k has rebounded to pre-2008 levels and my employment is full-time. I'm not alone in that"

Many are not.
And your elitist, slip of the toungue, remark that "Perhaps things look bleak, looking out over the trailer park..." is telling aof your true beliefs.

Joe the D-Bag, Thats the problem with you right-wing taliban. You don't even know this person and your making up who they are!! Now you and sousa stop spooning and come back to earth!!

Hey realist. I'm not making up a person.

Naomi said those things in a post above.

Look it up.

She's real.... she really really said those things...

I know it's unbelievable...

JtP - you're confusing elitist with contemptuous.

Contemptuous:
If you insult someone or dismiss them in a hateful way, you're being contemptuous. The difference between being hateful and contemptuous is subtle.
It involves disdain.

Elitism is inherited.
You earn contempt.

Congratulations!

"No Naomi what is insulting to us working class and unemployed is people like you sucking at the government teat taking our tax dollars spouting moral and intellectual superiority, and supporting your liberal agendas that enslave us."

Um... I work in private industry actually making a tangible product.
I'm not supporting ANY agenda - I just detest this sort of "He's EVIL" crap.

It's not as if anyone is actually addressing what the OP discussed, you know,
Romney and Ryan? They have a platform for change, too.

I suppose we should just rubber stamp that?

I don't particularly like Obama - but this sort of screed isn't debate - it's slander.
It's particularly odious when a candidate for local office reveals the source code for his stewardship of public education and local government to be a conspiracy site.

Or six - hard to tell when they're not even cited.

I've had more challenging discussions with a bag of hammers.

I know Ray, we uneducated trailer trash can't measure up to your and Naome's superior intellect and maturity.

We jus' plain folk who gonna be "put back in chains"

A more accurate representation may be the CCI (current conditions index) which measures the performance of the economy as a whole - if there's more money moving through the state or less. Blue indicates relatively more in a year compared to the previous year, Red indicates a contraction.

Blue is good, Red is bad in this graphic representation.
http://www.llardaro.com/current.htm#THE%20CCI%20THIS%20MONTH

Note that a great deal of the current downturn in employment is government
services - as the state attempts to reduce deficit spending.

The real question we should be asking is, "Where did the jobs go?"
Rhode Island has a nearly static population, just under a million in 1980 grew
to 1.05M in 2011. Like I said before - the mills are gone to Shenzhen.

You want to get those displaced people back to work?
They need training for 21st century jobs, not making socks.

Do you suppose Romney will propose a job training bill?
Every job creation bill Obama has proposed was shot down on orders of Mitch McConnell, he of the "Our goal is to make Obama a one-term president" fame -
http://www.louisville.com/content/sen-mitch-mcconnell-president-obama%E2%80%99s-failed-jobs-bill-arena

You're right, RI labor stats are abysmal, and for good reason -
Romney's party has supported reduced taxation as a solution.

That hasn't worked, here.

http://www.golocalprov.com/news/aaron-regunberg-ri-needs-a-modern-day-works-progress-administration/

The foreclosure rate has fallen in the same period, from 3.2% in July 2011 to 2.9% in July 2012. That's compares favorably to the national average of 3.2%.
http://www.pbn.com/RI-foreclosure-rate-falls-03-percentage-points-in-July,70054

I'm not sure what your point is, it would seem to me a GOOD thing to have foreclosed or short sale houses sold to new owners.

You would rather they fall vacant?

Like I said, try turning over a couple rocks to see what's underneath.

Fewer houses entering foreclosure is good, right?
More houses being sold off is good, right?

If the bank-owned properties are sold off, prices rise - right?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-03/home-prices-seen-dropping-10-in-u-s-on-foreclosures-mortgages.html

It's bad, but not all gloom and doom - no matter what the voices in your head say.

So.... Naomi you ask for facts.

I gave you facts from creditable sources like the U.S. Department of Labor.

Then you proceed to make up all this crazy stuff.. and call me names....

Whhhaaatt???

" I gave you facts from creditable sources like the U.S. Department of Labor.
Then you proceed to make up all this crazy stuff.. and call me names.."

You gave me some of the facts, and I put them in context.

If you're cherry-picking to bolster a slanted position, you're using facts the way a drunk uses lamp-posts, not so much for illumination as support.

Did you actually read any of the "crazy stuff"? You stated that "The number of homes sold through foreclosure or short sale increased from 21 percent in July, 2011 to 25 percent this July."

I'm not sure why you consider that bad - would you rather these remain unsold?
Are vacant houses good, or bad for a neighborhood?
What do you suppose happens to vacant houses?
Is that good for RI?

Do you have a point, buried in there, somewhere?

Did you read Llardaro's CCI analysis - it even has graphs to make things clear.
For pity's sake - it's color coded with only two colors - how hard is that to follow?

I make note that the unemployment picture also includes a reduction in government workers - you remember them "people like you sucking at the government teat taking our tax dollars"? Which is it, you want government spending to go down, or you want unemployment to go down - pick one.

If you've got some grand idea about where Rhode Island's unemployed should work - let's hear it. Read the submissions you don't like - even the math.

"You can post all the feel good propaganda you want."

Apparently, you feel free to do the same.

"People see what's going on, and are not believing America is recovering."
You mean, people like you - who see the apocalypse around the corner?
Spare us the Libertarian Theology, Joe.

Who have you asked this question?

Funny how your news sources are also selling you survival supplies and gold.
http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/19599-The-Next-Ten-Years-%C2%96-Part-I-There-will-be-blood-Eric-Janszen

Have you ever considered, for a moment, that you've been played the fool?
http://www.ranker.com/list/the-12-greatest-end-of-the-world-prophecy-fails/ivana-wynn

Dig into the background, below the noise, and you'll find another marketing ploy.

Let's hear what Romney WILL do - isn't that what this is about?

" Inflation" 1.5% in July 2012
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

"Lack of good jobs" Not a new problem - even so far back as 2004 we saw this.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/where-did-all-the-jobs-go

So, to bring back these jobs - Americans will need to accept wages on par with
the Mindinao sweat shops? Perhaps advanced skills training would be preferable - except you oppose any Public/Private partnerships such as those that have
kept Germans competitive.

Face it, you're not about solutions, Joe.
You're focused only on Obama.

"The funny thing is you think your believable."
Yep.

>> .takes too long to scroll to the bottom.Even with page down!

You're kidding, right? That's like one of those "first-world problems", isn't it (e.g., "My laptop battery is dying, but the charger is all the way upstairs").

http://first-world-problems.com/

Get a life, Mr. Sluggo.

There we go,"get a life'.I love it.Most frequently used insult in this forum.I was kidding,but the thread should be closed.I didn't click on your link by the way.

That pretty much describes your every submission, Cap'n. - futile.

Posting at 2AM?

Really?

2am hmm take a walk in someone elses shoes before making asinine statements about a person whose life you know nothing about. later.

#1 The percentage of Americans that own homes is dropping rapidly. According to Gallup, the current level of home ownership in the United States is the lowest that Gallup has ever measured.

#2 Home prices in the U.S. continue to fall like a rock as well. They have declined for six months in a row and are now down a total of 35 percent from the peak of the housing bubble. The last time that home prices in the United States were this low was back in 2002.

#3 Last year, an astounding 53 percent of all U.S. college graduates under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed.

#4 Back in 2007, about 10 percent of all unemployed Americans had been out of work for 52 weeks or longer. Today, that number is above 30 percent.

#5 When Barack Obama first became president, the number of "long-term unemployed workers" in the United States was 2.6 million. Today, it is 5.3 million.

#6 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is about three times as long as it was back in the year 2000.

#7 Despite what the mainstream media would have us to believe, the truth is that the percentage of working age Americans that are employed is not increasing. Back in March 2010, 58.5 percent of all working age Americans were employed. In March 2011, 58.5 percent of all working age Americans were employed. In March 2012, 58.5 percent of all working age Americans were employed. So how can Barack Obama and the mainstream media claim that the employment situation in the United States is getting better? The employment rate is still essentially exactly where it was when the last recession supposedly ended.

#8 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

#9 In 1962, 28 percent of all jobs in America were manufacturing jobs. In 2011, only 9 percent of all jobs in America were manufacturing jobs.

#10 In some areas of Detroit, Michigan you can buy a three bedroom home for just $500.

#11 According to one recent survey, approximately one-third of all Americans are not paying their bills on time at this point.

#12 Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the price of gasoline has risen by more than 100 percent.

#13 The student loan debt bubble continues to expand at a very frightening pace. Recently it was announced that total student loan debt in the United States has passed the one trillion dollar mark.

#14 Incredibly, one out of every four jobs in the United States pays $10 an hour or less at this point.

#15 Household incomes all over the United States continue to fall. After adjusting for inflation, median household income in America has declined by 7.8 percent since December 2007.

#22 At this point, the U.S. national debt is rising by more than 2 million dollars every single minute.

#23 The U.S. national debt has risen by more than 5 trillion dollars since the day that Barack Obama first took office. In a little more than 3 years Obama has added more to the national debt than the first 41 presidents combined.

#24 The Federal Reserve bought up approximately 61 percent of all government debt issued by the U.S. Treasury Department during 2011.

#25 The Federal Reserve continues to systematically destroy the value of the U.S. dollar. Since 1970, the U.S. dollar has lost more than 83 percent of its value.
The American Dream

This is where Obama is taking America
Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the U.S. credit rating for the first time, dealing a symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.
Wash. Post
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Credit rating agency Egan Jones downgraded the United States Thursday on concern over the sustainability of public debt. Egan Jones is one of the most important ratings firms in the world; they lowered our credit level from AA+ to AA. The firm reduced America from AAA to AA+ in July 2011, just before Standard & Poor's did the same.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/us-credit-rating-downgrade/2012/04/06/egan-jones-downgrades-us-credit-rating#ixzz25UdTHAev

Since the beginning of the last recession (December 2007) the private sector workforce has shrunk by 6.6% while shedding more than 7.5 million jobs. Over that same time period, the federal government workforce (excluding Census and Postal workers) has grown by 11.7% while adding 230,000 jobs.
The Heritage network

snapshots of Obama’s and Pres. Ronald Reagan’s post-recession recoveries, 27 months after each downturn hit bottom. In September 2011, on Obama’s watch, non-farm payrolls had grown 0.6 percent, yielding 841,000 jobs since June 2009. Under the tax-cutting, business-boosting Reagan, non-agricultural employment swelled 8.7 percent, generating 7.7 million new jobs.

President Obama added 140,000 workers to the Federal payroll in his first 18 months of office.[xxiv] The number of Americans on food stamps went from 26 million before the recession to 46 million in 2011.[xxv] This is what Obama really meant by "distribute the wealth:" the Federal government uses its power to hire workers and expand a welfare population dependent on the Federal government, thus keeping the government in power

They did it ! National Debt $16 trillion Dollars. Obama and Congress must be proud.
16 trillion reasons to join the Tea Party.
Get a good education kids . You've got a huge debt to pay

You could save us a little time -
just say "I found this nugget online..."
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/25-horrible-statistics-about-the-u-s-economy-that-barack-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know

That you can drive a HummVee through the holes in this screed is telling.
Your "news" source is a conspiracy theory site?

Bravo, Jethro.

Your welcome ;-}

You don't understand....that is Jacks' point. I respect your right to believe what you want. Please respect others rights also. Getting emotional and hurling insults only makes you look small...

How much better of a market recovery do you expect after a crash ?

Nasdaq Composite : http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^ixic+interactive#symbol=^ixic;range=5y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

NYSE Composite : http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^NYA&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

Ed,
What are you smoking? The stock market is up from around 8,000 in 2008 to around 13,000 now!

Joe Tea Parties are for little girls real Americans drink coffee.
http://www.wikihow.com/Throw-a-Children's-Tea-Party

Get real This President was suppose to be different. Paying the debt off no deficits. Washington was going to work better for us. Surprise he lied!
For the past four years Barack Obama hasn't offered any serious solutions to get our spending under control and instead he has run 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits.
The national debt was at $10.6 trillion when President Obama took office. We just hit $16 trillion and growing at two million a minute