Tiverton Building Study Suggests Selling or Demolishing Vacant Schools, Community Center
The Municipal Buildings Feasibility Advisory Committee should be presenting the report to the Town Council in the near future.
Tiverton should sell off its vacant and older buildings, while considering future consolidation of municipal offices, according to a report issued in late June from the Tiverton Municipal Buildings Feasibility Advisory Committee. The report will soon be presented to the Town Council.
The old Nonquit School, located at 117 Puncateest Neck Road, the old Ranger School, located at 1185 Stafford Road, and the old community center, which is located at 346 Judson Street and currently houses the Planning Department, Wastewater Management and other municipal offices, are recommended to be put up for sale.
Vacant Schools, Loss of Market Value
What was considered fair market value for the two vacant school buildings in 2009 is unrealistic today, the report states, and both buildings are not practical for town use. If the buildings do not sell, demolishing the schools and selling the land is another approach.
In 2009, the School Committee determined the old Ranger School would no longer be used and returned the over one-acre asset to the town. The current Ranger School opened in 2007 near the high school on North Brayton Road. It was appraised at $970,000 in 2009.
At one time it was suggested that renovations to the Ranger School would cost over $3 million, since it is not code compliant. Of nearly 300 public surveys returned to the town, 22 percent said they wanted the building retained for municipal use, while 14 percent said that all municipal services be consolidated to the old school. However, the report states that major renovations would be required to address its electrical, heating, communications and building space.
A recommendation was made last winter by the Town Council and town planner to create a request-for-proposal to sell the six-acre lot of the Nonquit School. It was closed in 2003 due to budgetary constraints and in 2009 the School Committee determined it would no longer be used and returned the property to the town. It was appraised at $850,000 in 2008.
The building’s integrity is in better condition than the old Ranger School, the report states. However, a $2.3 million estimate was tagged onto the Nonquit School to come up to school-code required renovations. Public surveys overwhelmingly indicated the school not be retained by the town.
If any work is to be done there, the report recommends that an archaeological study be conducted there since it sits on an Indian burial ground.
Despite its aesthetic surroundings of Nonquit Pond, the committee determined the building will sell for much less than its assessed value. The RFP should be the first step to market the Nonquit School property and recommended selling the property as residential if alternatives are not presented through the RFP findings, according to the report.
Community Center in Need of Repairs
The community center sits on a 0.67-acre lot and is in sound condition, the report states, but needs a new roof and some exterior repairs. For the size of the location in the north end, the building is “well utilized,” however, its distance from Town Hall, particularly the Planning Department, renders its services antiquated. The committee recommends taking a proactive approach to relocating the offices and dispose of the building, as well as take a closer look at its septic system.
Town Hall, built around 1850 at 346 Highland Road, sits on a 1.75-acre lot, and houses all other municipal offices for Tiverton. It is also a public meeting space and a repository of all the town’s historic government and land evidence records. A number of additions and upgrades have been made over the years, and the report states the building could still be used for some time. However, the way it is currently configured is not optimal, and relocating the Planning Department from its satellite office to be closer to building and zoning, town administration and the land records could trigger some office space reshuffling.
In the long term, the committee’s report states Town Hall will not serve the town’s future needs and expansion options are limited. The recommendation is to dispose of the building eventually and use the proceeds to offset consolidation costs.
The senior center, located at 207 Canonicus Street on roughly 0.70 acres, has a well-maintained exterior. The report states the building could be used by other community organizations to offset the dependence on the space of the nearby community center. The committee recommended retaining the building, but in the long term, consider the idea of disposing it.
The Department of Public Works, located near the police station at 50 Industrial Way, sits on over 7 acres of land. The report states the location and space is well suited for its operation, and states that it would be useful to consider relocating the building and maintenance department workspace there.
Rug Doctor
11:55 am on Friday, September 23, 2011
Lets wait longer to sell the schools so they will be worth nothing!!!! It took this long to get this report. Why? Not to be critical of the work that people did, why so long for this type of report. This could have be done in a couple of hours. All this time to tell us what we already know sell the old schools.
Tiverton Dad
11:59 am on Friday, September 23, 2011
This is like spending two years studying the sky only to release a report that it's blue. This was a royal waste of time during a critical time in which these buildings could have been sold or re-purposed for the benefit of the town. This is a failure of leadership.
Jim L
12:17 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
it,s been exactly2 years and 8 days since the voters at the FTM voted to SELLl the schools, all that has been done is the town looseing resale value not rent lease repair, SELL this is a big failure of leadership from the past and present council and the so called commitee formed to deal with this.Lots of people dropped the ball on this a recommondation was made on this, i myself think thats major bs, saw nothing anywhere about it. today is SEPTEMBER 23 ,2011 Day 1 since the schools you say will move forward, as for indian stuff URI and Brown have archaeological studenta that could do this, unless of course someone starts a town commitee to dig down there, I don't know about the gentlemen the posted above me but from here on out i will post 2 dates, the day voted to sell and the date of the article sept. 25 2011
Jim L
12:17 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
oh this is about selling the schools NOTHING to do with Dan gordon
Rug Doctor
12:20 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Tiverton Dad we agree on something. Each day these buildings sit they deteriorate more and more. Who is responsible for this big waste of time? Is is the past council? Is it this commitee? Incompetent Tiverton where no one is responsible for anything....Lets just drag our heels as the buildings fall apart as the real estate market tanks... I will not be commending the commitee on their great work. Why did something so simple take years to complete? Why did we even bother to have a commitee? No one is in charge of our incompetent town. They are all there to take credit when things go right. The town will now most likely have to pay to take these buildings down and cost us even more money. Does anyone have any common sense in this town? Let me know I have not seen any.
Jim L
12:28 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
rug doctor a large part of the problem was with the commitee just look at the posted minutes on the town web pagen i don't think anyone has followed this as much as me, even after the voters spoke a study was done to determine usage, food pantry, senoir centre rent to wmca, among other things, can't find this document now, given this town's semi history of deals for buddies is the reason i watched this and continuely brought focus on it, and build the l
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Rug Doctor
2:13 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Joe way too long for very clear results. I heard that this committee with trying to come up with ways to give away these buildings. Right now we are out some of the value these buildings had in better condition and when the market was better. We are also out the money from the tax rolls we could have had. It should not have taken this long for this report with such a clear result. Did the town have to waste all of this time on this? Will it take another 2-3 years to hire a real estate agent? Waste of money and waste of time. Another do nothing commitee...
Jim L
3:25 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
enough, done is done, lets get a realator on this, get a college into the indian stuff get professioal on the job
Rug Doctor
4:21 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
No Jim L you do not understand. Now we have to wait another two years for the Realtor Selection Committee (has not been formed yet) to pick a suitable Realtor for selling the schools. Don't you understant how town government works? This will go on forever.
Jim L
4:54 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
oh a forgot thanks
Tivie
4:48 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
I am surprised that the public overwhelmingly voted to sell Nonquit. It's in a great location,has a nice sledding hill, and is by the pond for winter skating and fishing. Couldn't there be a low-impact use for the property that would still allow some public access? Despite the great location, it will be a hard sell, because the building is not suited for a residence and it would be expensive to knock down. Chances are, selling Nonquit will require that the town take down the building (expensive), or we'll have to sell it for a song. What's the zoning on the property? And if the 2.3 million is required to make it suitable for school, what is the price tag to make the building passable for other uses?
Joe Sousa.
4:55 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Tivie This town has an abundance of open space. We need a tax base. I see a developer putting a huge house on the back side of this property. One home with a big front yard. Fits the neighbor hood.
Just Another Taxpayer
8:02 am on Monday, September 26, 2011
Joe, can't build on the back of the lot because it is an Indian burial ground..
Jim L
5:00 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Can't fish in or skate on the pond by law, Given all the craft shops and such down there and with the out of state traffic that visits there it seems to me that it could be developed as shops or such We have to think wider than just local. New Yorkers or other money might do this, but sticking it in the sakkonett times n daily news for sale just won't cut it
Jim L
5:05 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
wetland, but its right there at the famous Tiverton 4 Corners and that should be used as a selling point
Jim L
5:08 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
anoher house isn't what this town needs joe, it needs bussiness taxes
Joe Sousa.
5:14 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
I wish we could put some type of tax break package together to sell the old Ranger school. I would love to see a hardware store there. Any development would be good I just like hard ware. It's in the Enterprise Zone that's a plus. I just wish we could do more to promote business.
Joe Sousa.
5:24 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
The Community center if sold could be converted into a house . The building is not beyond repair It's just not needed anymore. We have ample meeting space .
At one time in resent history it was believed if more groups used the schools for their meeting they would see the poor shape they're in. The idea should be examined again, as we start to consolidate to make up for short falls in funding.
Tivie
5:37 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
It would make a great art center/gallery space, to fit in with the 4 corners. Antique center, art or craft school. Bike/kayak rental. Environmental education center, bed & breakfast, college satellite or job training center. A small "five and dime" like Wilbur Store with basic groceries would raise the "walkability" score of the neighborhood (i.e. not so car dependent). If you believe the peak-oil types, this will be a future issue of greater concern.
Jim L I had no idea you couldn't fish/skate - just noticed some people doing that.
Joe I agree it would be fine to sell as residential but who would buy it with a school on it, unless it could be cheaply removed or renovated? Therefore I think you wouldn't get much money for it - less than if it were raw land. And for such low revenue, it might be worth thinking about potential public uses that would be appropriate to the neighborhood, because once it's gone, it's gone for good.
I always feel sorry that the town didn't get a shot at that gorgeous property on the point looking into the Sakonnet. Would have seemed impossibly expensive at the time, but in 50 - 100 years from now it would seem cheap. Thank goodness we did get Weetamoo Woods/Pardon Grey. It makes the town great.
Joe Sousa.
5:59 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
Tivie Get some one to buy ,and propose it. That would bring in more revenue , that's great.
A developer could chose to only demolish part of the school. They could reuse the foundation and part of the old building. If I had the where with all I would invest in it as a spec house. High end homes are still selling.
k wood
6:21 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
What happens to the contents of the buildings??? Are things given away to a select few?
Rug Doctor
10:13 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
It would be nice to make everywhere a park but this town just can not afford that. The promise that was make that the old schools would be sold to pay down the bond was a lie. It reminds me of all of the false promises I have been hearing from the gold plated trustees of that major spending project for the East end of town. Sorry that is another topic. The town needs these properties to be sold so the owners can start paying taxes.
Jim L
11:49 pm on Friday, September 23, 2011
JOE look into the back off the monitior
Robert E
10:34 am on Saturday, September 24, 2011
Fall River just put 5 schools up for sale they got $1.90 for one and $1000.00 for another and three didn't sell. The town can not just hire a realator they have to go out to bid by state law. Depending on the condition of the buildings the cost of rehab or demolition may be more then what the property may be worth that is what happend in Fall River. These school may not be worth anything the only benifit you may see would be the tax revenue after the lots are repurposed.
Jim L
11:29 am on Sunday, September 25, 2011
is RI state law the same as MA? the commitee that was charged with this should have covered it, perhaps we need a new commitee or panel could our state senator(since we don't have a rep)inquire what is needed for this on a state and federal level # 1 we don't have to accept the bid if its goes that way and #2 even if the building sell very cheap they will be placed back on the tax roles, sell them
Rug Doctor
12:19 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Jim we do not need anymore do nothing committees. Lets get the buildings up for sale.This committee should be embarassed that these simple results that everyone in town already knew took so long. No more committees, BS or talking. Lets have some action where the town puts the buildings on the market. This has been committeed and talked to death. Time for someone to get off their duff and hire a Realtor. Time to stop talking about it and do something!!!!
Jim L
1:59 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
sorry rug doctor, but someone will have to do this, does it have to be a town officer?someone posted mass law on here but is that the same as ri, if the schools contain asbestos, (is this know) then sell them cheap because demo or rehab will be very expensive, indian site, get a college in there, but we don't need someone or a gourp just looking into this again
I'm not sure where to start,will it be placed on the TC agenda , does the town administer do this job, whats the zoning now,I guess this is some off my fault also for not asking all of this earlier, they seem common questions to me, so how do you or anyone else suugest this procedds
Joe Sousa.
8:33 pm on Sunday, September 25, 2011
Lou Cabral, Chair - Municipal Buildings Feasibility Advisory Committee – Presentation
Of Comprehensive Final Report. The for sale sign should go up the next day .
For Sale by owner . Call or Email
Town Administrator's Office
343 Highland Road, Tiverton, RI 02878
Phone: 401-625-6710
townadministrator@townoftivertonri.co
Nasketucket
10:38 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
gee once the local Native Americans notified the town of their interest in the site, a deal was cut for 101k. what's up with that? the town administrator even called the police on the Natives when they went there yesterday! Nice going!
Just Another Taxpayer
11:21 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
What incident are you talking about?
Renee Cwiek
11:43 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
When was a deal cut?
Joe Sousa.
12:02 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
From what I saw it was the highest bid and it fit the zoning for the lot. I thought this was the only way to settle all issues . A+ on this one for the council.