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Parents Want Police Presence In Schools

Parents told administrators that they want a school resource officer reassigned to patrol schools.

 

About 50 people, most parents, gathered in the Tiverton High School library for a two-hour meeting on safety in schools.

Administrators answered questions and described emergency plans and protocols, but the majority of discussion focused on what measures schools could take now to offer additional precautions.

"After what happened [in Newtown, CT] on Friday, are we reacting to that? We are," said Supt. William Rearick. "We are fine tuning what we do in Tiverton, in the state and across the country. We are refining what we do and making it better."

Rearick commended Tiverton's school community for its handling of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. Rearick met with faculty, guidance counselors, emergency responders and psychologists on Monday to ensure all appropriate safety precautions were in effect.

"Our teachers were very shaken and they came to work to do what they get paid to do which is teach our students and I am very proud of them and the students because that was an attack on another school and the message was very personal to them. This was not Aurora, this was not Virginia Tech, this was an elementary school."

Thursday's meeting came just seven hours after an unsubstantiated bomb threat at Tiverton High School caused students and faculty to evacuate and canceled school for the day. 

"Fall River, with 16 schools has one in every school, and I know that everything is budget, budget, budget, but I would feel so much safer with a police officer in our schools," said Kelly, a mother two children in public schools.

Councilman James Arruda, a former teacher, supported the idea of instituting a full-time school resource officer position, calling the coupling of schools and police "a  highway of communication between the police department and our schools."

"As a Town Councilor, my second point is budget issues," Arruda added. "There has been a lot of discussion across the country, do we bullet proof glass - which would probably cost in the millions of dollars? We need a cost effective was to make our schools safer and an officer might be the best way to do that."

Police Chief Thomas Blakey told parents we would get a school resource officer on property in the near future for the rest of the year - a venture he estimated would cost $100,000. 

Other suggestions by parents were to install bullet proof glass on school windows and that the administration inform parents about the district's crisis management plan and preparation.

"I don't want anything taken off of the table," said Deborah Pallasch, committeewoman. "We will have a financial discussion, but tonight is about what do we need to do."

Thursday's meeting was purely an informational stepping stone toward creating a safer environment for Tiverton students.

"Send your children to school," said Capt. Patrick Jones. "School is a safe place and you are here tonight to make it safer."

Related Topics: School Safety, Tiverton High School, Tiverton School Committee, and Tiverton school building safety

Joe Sousa.

6:36 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

I have to wonder where all the money will come from.
Will there be an officer on every school bus ball field rec area the library ?
These incidents seem to make parents believe all can be cured with one officer in the building. It was a planned attack and the tactics could have changed if an officer was in the school . A bomb , chlorine gas I could go on . Lets focus on the things that cause these attacks . Mental Health issues.

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Naome Lixes

6:44 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

"Lets focus on the things that cause these attacks."

You mean the guns, right? You're not qualified to weigh in on this.
You're an embarrassment to Tiverton, Joe.

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Renee Cwiek

6:46 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

I don't really understand your post Joe. You said it makes parents believe it can be cured but then say the tactics could have changed if there was an officer in the school. Isn't that the point of having an officer there? To change the outcome? I do agree that the cause of the attacks need to be focused on as well, but safety needs to also be a priority.

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Joe Sousa.

6:54 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Speaking of mental health NL. seek help

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Ron Pouliot

10:09 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Have Obama and his cronies that waste billions every year on green companies that have gone belly up and put our returning veterans who are looking for jobs to work as Federal Protection Officers and place them where needed with the equipment & technology they need to do the job of protecting our children.

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James Arruda

12:13 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I also brought that up in the meeting last night, which was my main point making sure we are treating mental illness. That has been the connection to many of these unfortunate events taking place.

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b kcaj

7:44 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

To "Dingus Khan" and "Felix Applegate"-While Joe Sousa is arguably the most divisive and abrasive resident of this town , the statements you made against him are totally inappropriate and have no place on this or any other website.

Joe Sousa.

6:52 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Renee, it was a planned attack. He could have got on a bus and killed all the kids on it. There is no way to plan for every attack. The common thread is mental illness and bullying . We need to focus on those issues . We have limited resources and need to spend them wisely.

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Renee Cwiek

4:31 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

You're right. You can't plan for every attack, but we can do our best to try and prevent it from happening at all. To be honest, I really don't have any answers. I just want what every parent wants. My children to come home safely from school every day.

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Ken

11:12 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hey Joe,After reading a bunch of anti-gun post I think I need to take a second look at my thinking. We should ban all guns. Then I started to think about how many deaths are caused by drunk drivers in the United States and found that there are more men, women and children killed by drunk drivers than there are by gunman useing legally owned guns. After discovering that I decided that my time would be better spent trying to get a ban on all cars and trucks not used by the military or emergency services. If you take the vehicle out of the hands of the drunk driver he would not have a weapon to kill with. This is just an awesome idea. Can you imagine the benifits. There would be NO traffic deaths,way less polution (Other than maybe some methaine gas from the horses we would need to use) That would cut our need for fuel so it would make the world wide price of fuel go down. People say that the Unithed States is only taking military action in other countries because because of the oil and if that is true we wouldnt need to do that. Can you amagine how many lives would be saved there alone? I could go on and on about the benifits that we would reap from banning cars but I dont have time I need to spread the word. Thank you for enlightening me. Can you imahine all this could be done without messing with anyones rights. PS. I hate cars anyway.

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Naome Lixes

2:12 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Ken -

A town just buried 20 1st graders. In case you haven't noticed, no one is laughing.
Spare us the snark.

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Ken

4:59 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

It wasnt ment to be funny it was ment to make you think which I now know you are incapable of doing. You are proving my point about our need for better mental health care.

b kcaj

7:45 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Joe Sousa says:

"I have to wonder where all the money will come from."

As usual, we have Joe Sousa putting a price tag on children's safety, after 20 innocent toddlers were slaughtered by a high powered assault rifle in nearby Connecticut. There has NEVER been a mass shooting in a school in this country when a school resource officer was on duty, but Joe Sousa is worried about the cost.

Where are your priorities Joe? The safety of our children is well worth the cost.

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Tuna man

9:04 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

I'm not going to take a stand on the control issue one way or another. I am going to say what is the one common factor in all of these shootings other then a firearm? It's the mental stability of these people who do these acts of violence. The same day we had our tragic loss so did families in China where over 22 children were attacked by a mad man with knives. Those families also had a huge loss and by a man with mental issues. This is where we need to address the issues and help insure those who need help can get it and not just a diagnosis of they are not a threat to themselves or others because people like that can and do change. They need help to prevent that change from happening and returning to society as a productive member. We have left those people out in the cold for too long and they need our help too.

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Ken

11:21 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hey Tuna man, Also think about this. Drunk drivers kill more men, women and childrenin the United States then legally owned guns do. Drunk drivers use cars as their weapon. Take away the car and they would have to use a horse. I havent heard of any anti-car people talking bad bout AAA. Why is that?

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Naome Lixes

12:03 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You're trolling for a fight, Ken.

Lead, follow or get out of the way.
The difference is the deliberate use of a weapon versus accidental misuse.

It's a tired diversion, also known as a strawman.

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Ken

1:10 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Naome why is it that just because I dont agree with you Im trolling and looking for a fight. I was only useing the same logic that anti-gun people are useing. To say that drunk driving is the accidental missuse of a car is rediculous. If you get drunk and get behind the wheel of a car you know what the outcome might be. The person that is drunk driving my not intend on killing a little girl on the sidwalk (as happened here in Smithfield not long ago ) but the end result is no different. If the drunk driver didnt have a car to drive the little girl would still be alive. If you took away the gun from Lanza he could have just used a different weapon. Why cant you people just admit the reason you dont like guns is because you have no use for one and cant see why anybody else would. It very sad that the only come back you have for my post is to call me names. I shouldnt be suprised though because it seems that anytime you disagree with someone that is anti-gun and they cant come up with a good reply they resort to name calling.

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Naome Lixes

2:08 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

" I was only useing the same logic that anti-gun people are useing."

I don't think you understand logic, as you're employing fallacies to make your baseless points. For instance:

"If you took away the gun from Lanza he could have just used a different weapon. "
That's argument from scenario, a form of speculation.

Fact - he used a legally purchased, semi-automatic weapon with high capacity
magazines in a school full of children. He did not drive drunk into a school room.

"The person that is drunk driving my not intend on killing a little girl on the sidwalk (as happened here in Smithfield not long ago ) but the end result is no different."
A false equivocation. Automobiles are designed for safety. Only misuse, traffic accidents or mechanical failures cause the deaths. Guns are designed to kill.

One causes death when used in a manner other than intended.
The other causes death when it functions normally.

" Why cant you people just admit the reason you dont like guns is because you have no use for one and cant see why anybody else would."
Feeling threatened, Ken? So are we. Adam Lanza had his reasons, I'm sure.

You're presuming to see into another person's mind, which is known as telepathy.
To date, that's a purely fictional concept.

"I shouldnt be suprised though because it seems that anytime you disagree with someone that is anti-gun and they cant come up with a good reply..."

You said it, Skippy.

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Ken

5:18 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Naome you are delusiomal. . You make long post that only make semse to you. You make up things that arnt true just to fit your agenda. Please please please seek some professional help. There is no need to respond ( Though I know you will ) because I wont be responding to your nonsense any longer. Peace and love be with you.

John M

9:47 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Everyone wants to be able to have their child go to school and come home safe and sound. I do and I hope that the suggestions made / implemented will do that. Unfortunately, some of the proposals made don't seem to be geared toward that goal. Adding another administrator to the schools (a school resource officer - for a $100,000 / year ?) sounds like a waste. If he / she isn't a trained police officer who can handle themselves in a crisis then it is a waste. The schools don't need another bureaucrat but they do need to be better prepared / equiped to deal with situations

How about doing simple things like adding video / voice monitoring to school buses / giving them the capability to instantly get access to the police. Some bus companies / school systems have this technology already (Middletown for example). That is a suggestion that makes the students much safer and helps with non-crisis situations as well.
Another proposal would be to put in panic alarms similar to what one would find in a bank in certain sections in the schools (principle's office / reception area, etc). This would be tied to the police network and would lessen response time from the police. Also making entrances into schools more secure would be another good approach.

John M

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Just Another Taxpayer

10:16 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

John M, I can't find any mention of adding another school administrator to help out with ensuring the safety of the children. A School Resource Officer would be highly trained police officer who would be assigned to working in the schools.

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Erin Tiernan

10:41 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Currently Tiverton's school resource officer is Sgt. Ken Cabral. He - and all other SROs - are fully trained and qualified police officers who carry weapons and graduate from the police academy. He spends one day per week in the schools right now, that just happened to be yesterday and he was able to evacuate THS before Tiverton Police arrived on scene.

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Ken

11:44 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hey John the average police officer only makes about 45,000 a year. School is only in session for about 180 days. That would be 36 work weeks.So that would be about 32,000 a year per school. Not sure how many schools there are in yout town or the population but Im guessing the cost to put an SRO in each school for a year probably shouldnt cost more that about 10 dollars a year for eash person that lives in your town. Thats not a lot. My wife drives a school bus here in Smithfield and there are 10 yr old kids on her bus that have mental issues that scare her. They threaten to kill her and others on the bus and the school does nothing about it. She has a radio so she can call for help and has but by the time police get there someday it may be too late. I couldnt agree more that the root of the problem is mental health care but until we get better mental health care 10 dollars per person a year to help keep our kids safe while in school doesnt sound unreasonable.

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Naome Lixes

12:13 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

$32,000 times 132,656 = $4,244,992,000. Where is this money sourced?

This employs police but does nothing to address the weapons on the street.
The NRA is behind this fear mongering, which leads to ever higher gun sales.

It would be cheaper to buy back the subclass of weapons that fire multiple rounds in a short period without reloading and confiscate all high capacity magazines.
If you don't have school age children, or live in a bunker you may have missed
the current financial struggles facing public education.

We're broke, and having gun violence threaten the education of today's children
undermines are competitive position in world markets. It's a treatable disease.

It is also past time to reign in the NRA as a lobbying group for death merchants.

It's as if the obvious was suddenly inconceivable - guns are deadly.

http://www.edreform.com/2012/04/k-12-facts/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/20/assault_rifle_stats_how_many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html

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Naome Lixes

12:21 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"My wife drives a school bus here in Smithfield and there are 10 yr old kids on her bus that have mental issues that scare her."

Do they have access to guns? That's more than scary, that's menacing.

"They threaten to kill her and others on the bus...".
I'm surprised that a staunch conservative like yourself hasn't considered a job change as a solution to this problem.

"She has a radio so she can call for help and has but by the time police get there someday it may be too late."

What are you suggesting, John M - that a harried bus driver should be armed?
The airline pilots union won't allow a weapon in the cockpit of an airplane unless the pilot it fully rated on use of the gun and has continual assessments to make certain the weapon is in secure hands. This in a modern airplane with a locked cockpit door. You would put a gun on a bus with kids that threatened to kill others?

You've just put a gun in proximity to someone with an expressed intent to kill, in a confined space, with limited egress routes and precious little adult supervision

It's just so painfully stupid.

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Ken

1:23 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Naome the cost would be about 13.50 per person per year useing your figures. I would be happy to pay double my share for the extra safety.

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Ken

1:33 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Naome where in my post did I say that the bus driver should be armed???? Again the name calling and only talking about one sentence of the whole post. If you bothered to read the whole post my point was the need for mental health. You seem to think I am pro gun. WRONG!!!!!! Im pro life. I want the killing stopped as soon as possible. The people are doing the killing the gun is the weapon . Fix the people and fix the problem.

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Naome Lixes

2:26 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"The people are doing the killing the gun is the weapon . Fix the people and fix the problem...You seem to think I am pro gun. WRONG!!!!!! Im pro life. I want the killing stopped as soon as possible."

Taking semi-automatic weapons, high capacity magazines and armor penetrating rounds out of circulation sounds expeditious, don't you agree?

Closing the gun-show loophole will reduce the flow of guns to unregistered owners.
That means fewer illegal guns on the streets. You're for that, right Ken?

Background checks do not exist for online sales. Surely you would support putting the same people on the "No-Fly" list on a "No-Buy" list for guns?

You're for that, right Ken?

I would be VERY interested to hear your thoughts on mental-healthcare, the access to it for those in need, who carries the cost and what remedies you would apply to those that "don't fit" your description of normal.

It sounds like a recipe for a public denouncements and trampling the 1st amendment to protect the 2nd. Like it or not a child threatening and adult
is less threatening than an adult bringing a gun to bear on a child.

So you agree with essential gun control notions, Ken?

Dan

9:55 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Tuna man I will agree slightly with you and say mental illness is ONE part of the problem. The other party of the problem is the psychotropic medicines they are giving these individuals as well. Giving people these mind altering drugs such as prozac, zyloft, adderral, and the list goes on. Most of the side effects on these things have a chance of sucidial or violent tendencies. Just like a person who has been drinking with a car, a person whose on these kind of meds should maybe not have access to guns. Truth is, banning guns isn't going to solve the problems. It will do two things, people will NOT turn their guns in and it will bring guns underground putting them in the hands of criminals even easier since the black market will take the white markets place. Just look at prohibition. Not only that, the CIA backed cartels will probably change over from drugs to drugs and guns. Brave New World.....

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Just Another Taxpayer

1:44 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Dan where did you get your medical degree from? The drugs you mentioned are designed to help people with depression and ADHD. While all drugs have side effects of some sort, they could not be issued by doctors if the FDA deemed them to be "mind altering."

Second, if you make it harder for people who have a mental illness AND are prone to violence, then denying access to these killing machines will increase the likelihood that an event like the one in Newtown CT will not take place.

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Naome Lixes

12:24 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Can we deal with reality, please? All five of the mass shootings since Columbine
used guns that were legally purchased. There are too many, readily available.

Stick to facts, spare us the crackpot conspiracy theories.

Good Year

9:59 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

The answer is all of the above. Mental illness, access to guns and tighter security in the schools all need to be part of the solution.

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Tiverton Parent

10:07 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

As with any complex problem, the solution too will need to be flexible and complex. I agree with John M - throwing an expensive resource into each school is not the answer. His other suggestions sound good as well. I can tell you first hand that today, anyone can walk into one of several entrances at the schools unnoticed and unquestioned. Tightening up existing security supplemented with video surveillance and panic alarms makes sense. Beyond the topic of security in school itself, we need to acknowledge both the need for rational gun control and better mental health treatment. I don't know what it was like to live in the perpetrator's house, but I can tell you that if this young man had not been introduced to guns and if his mother had not kept these weapons in the house the chances of this happening may have been reduced.

On the topic of mental health, I am not an expert regarding appropriate courses of action, nor can I render an opinion regarding this particular young man. What I would like to see is an honest evaluation at the national level of mental health services and policies in general. If a person is slipping into an "abyss", famiies/loved ones should have it easier to reach out to the appropriate professionals for help. And if a person wishes to refuse that help, then the professionals need to have more power to mandate it and incarcerate if needed, for the benefit of the sufferer as well as society.

Again, complex problem, complex solution.

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Tiverton Dad

10:42 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

Hiring temporary resource officers is a good start, but the schools should also consider hiring a security consultant on a contract basis to evaluate existing security and procedures at all of the schools and make recommendations to improve them.

Mental health is definitely a big part of the problem. Mental health services have not been adequate since the Reagan cuts in the 80s. Congress needs to allocate funds for free mental health screening and treatment, and to increase the number of beds in mental health facilities.

The easy availability of guns, especially weapons like the one used by the child killer in Connecticut, is also part of the problem. Out of the 25 worst mass killings with guns, 15 occurred in the US. The next highest country had two. The availability of guns makes it too easy to carry out attacks like this in the US.

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Chris Christensen

12:55 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Around the country I keep reading about doing something with the elementary schools and nobody mentions the other schools. Tiverton Dad said it right but I wish he had put it in bold capital letters. "All of the schools" Pay attention folks.

ray

11:57 am on Friday, December 21, 2012

i think you have a point joe..we need to do more for people with mental problems..lets start with the clowns that tripled my taxes and think it was ok!!

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James Arruda

12:16 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I made that point in the meeting last night which is not mentioned in this article, but is mentioned in the Fall River Herald news article.

b kcaj

1:06 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

From Sen. Bob Casey-One of the MOST gun friendly members of Congress:

There is now a growing list of lawmakers who are willing to consider gun control, including Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey, a conservative Democrat who has an “A” rating from the NRA. Senator Casey told the Philadelphia Inquirer today that he would support reinstating the 1994 assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines.

“The power of the weapon, the number of bullets that hit each child, that was so, to me, just so chilling, it haunts me. It should haunt every public official,” said Casey. “I just believe that in light of what’s happened, in light of measures we can take to lessen the chances that will happen [again], that these are two steps we can take.”

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b kcaj

1:08 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Thank you Senator Scott Brown:

And yesterday, Senator Scott Brown became the first Republican Senator to support a federal ban on assault weapons, although he was a longtime advocate of leaving the issue up to the states. “What happened in Newtown where those children were subject to that level of violence is beyond my comprehension,” Brown told the Springfield Republican on Wednesday. “As a state legislator in Massachusetts I supported an assault weapons ban, thinking other states would follow suit. But unfortunately, they have not and innocent people are being killed.”

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James Arruda

1:26 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I just want to point out that both CT and MA have assault weapon bans that were already in effect prior to the Newtown incident.

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Tiverton Dad

1:36 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Mr. Arruda, I have been reading your comments on this thread, and I listened to your comments last night, which were aimed at helping children within the schools with mental health issues. I agree that should be considered. However, in the case of Newtown, the child killer was an outsider with apparently no ties at all to the school. As a town councilor, how would you propose we ensure the safety of our schools from people like this?

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b kcaj

1:51 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

You're absolutely correct Mr. Arruda, but what the overwhelming majority of citizens in this country are in favor of, is a comprehensive plan which combines strict gun control, increased mental health awareness and treatment, and a police presence in all our schools.

Your interest and hard work in confronting this most important issue is a testament to your character-the residents of this town are fortunate to have you.

Joyce tsarnes

3:24 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Bullying needs to be addressed in Tiverton schools that is a huge problem that does not get handled in this town. That should be brought up also no one wants to step on anyone toes. Between the drug problem and the bullying issues you parents should be concerned. Where is the focus on that. Oh if your child is not having the issue it does not matter well you know those issues can build and be a recipe for disaster in a small town. Have a officer but let's try to resolve the issues not put a bandaid on it and say well at least we have an officer to protect our children. Everyone looks for a quick fix . Oh and all the money invested on the schools for a sink that turns on and off from a sensor could have went into protecting our kids but that did not matter it was all about the school looking fresh and new. Safety measures should have been number one when the schools got redone if everyone . Safety first that is what we teach our kids right?

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Renee Cwiek

4:26 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

What makes you think that parents don't care about bullying or drug issues? To even say that is just ridiculous. Are you really complaining about sinks?

Bob Cosgrove

5:08 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

Locked doors and police officers in the schools is a fine idea but what everyone is forgetting is that the kids in elementary school are outside for recess twice a day you don't need a nut with a gun anyone with a car could run down 20 or 30 kids in a blink of an eye.

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Little compton taxpayer

8:48 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

come on please lets not give the nuts ideas

Jeffrey M. Belli

8:22 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

I would just like to say that childrens safety is the key issue and true putting a qualified police officer in every school will help to better protect our children one officer cannot cover everywhere, and if by chance the person that is shooting gets the drop on the officer then he has another weapon with more lethal ammunition to reak havoc with. I feel that if we make the classrooms safe by making the doors and walls bullet resistant and classrooms able to lock from the insides.The children in the classrooms would be protected from not only the gunperson but stray rounds from either the police shooting in a standout or the gunperson firing his or her weapon trying to cause more harm.

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Ken

12:27 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Mr. Belli, The point Mr. Cosgrove brings up needs to be addressed. By all accounts the people doing these acts are very intelligent.The only reason why they would kill children is to make a statement and become famous. Anyone that would do such a thing must have mental issues. Combine the mental issues with high intelligents and you have a very dangerous situation. If you take one weapon away from this type of person they will just find another to accomplish their goal. If you only worry about guns you will accomplish nothing. Putting an sro in the schools cant hurt but dont be surprised when someone with issuse runs people down or like in the middle east strap a bomb on their body and go where there are a lot of people and blow it up. Until the mental health issues are addressed nobody is safe.

Little compton taxpayer

8:47 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

How can one resource officer cost $100,000. for the rest of this school year ? What they get paid $200,00 for a full year please come on. Come on please why cant they hire someone who they can train for less money .

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tivton

10:23 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012

You live and pay taxes in Little Compton, why should you care what it costs for a school resource Officer in Tiverton?

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John M

12:29 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Well, I live in Tiverton and I care about the schools / safety for my children as well as the cost. I would like to see solutions that would actually provide great safety for our kids. The proposal for a full-time resource officer at a cost of $100,000 or whatever that proposal would cost isn't going to make the schools safer because that person won't be able to patrol each and every school (there are 5 of them). So that person will just be an administrator and not someone walking a beat in the halls which is what some people are asking for each school.
So either, the schools hire private security (is there an issue with actually going to the private sector for this work) / use police to guard each school or you try to maximize the resources you have and make schools more secure by improving police communications / response times to schools and schools buses; making entrances to schools more secure; and by improving lock down training / etc.). It might not be as showy but those things would provide better security than what was offered by the school committee.

The unfortunate reality of the tragedy in Newton and other shootings is that anywhere people gather (church services, ball games, day care centers, movie theaters, army mess halls / etc.) is a target as long as people who are imbalanced can gain access to military type weaponry. The police can't cover them all.

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Joe Sousa.

8:49 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Keeping a level head is key to any situation . For the most part Tiverton's School Dept. has planned in advance for many types of incidents that have happened in other areas. 911 taught us these nuts think out side the box . If you fortify one area they attack another. The best defense is a good offense. Training and prevention. Catching these kids before they get to this point is the challenge we face . Reaching out to others and befriending them. If you see some bullying step in and stop it. Working together to ensure every one is treated with respect.
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. These are words that should roll off the lips of all students God Bless us all.

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b kcaj

9:08 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

So Joe-Where does civilians owning high powered assault rifles such as the one that slaughtered 26 innocent women and children last week fit into your overall "security plan"?

You say keeping a level head is the key to any situation-Does that mean allowing you to amass a stockpile of weapons over at your fortified bunker at 49 Hancock St. is level headed?

Face it Joe-You and your cronies over at the NRA are nothing but a bunch of gun worshipping crazies, and that point was driven home by the press conference by that lunatic Lapierre yesterday. Tell us Joe-Why wouldn't he answer questions from the media? And why didn't you and him go to Newtown this past week to hand out NRA applications?

The days of the NRA having any political influence in this country are over, and not a moment too soon.

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Ken

12:46 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

b kcaj, Its obvious you cant keep a level head about anything. On a different thread you called me a gun nut and said I had enought weapons to stark an army. You dont even know If I own a gun. If someone disagrees with you and you dont have any facts to back your belief you resort to name calling and now putting someones address in your post. This is just a hateful juvenile thing to do. It doesnt help the anti-gun cause at all

J.R>

10:56 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Do any of you actually know anything about the current gun laws? There are long forms and expensive training required. There are also requirements for secured storage. The only easy way to get any type of firearm is 'illeagly'! Anyone with any type of mental condition, is prohibited from owning or posessing a firearm. The people who are commiting these acts DO NOT CARE about the rules or the laws. Therefore working on more laws will not effect these people. Why not try better enforcement of the laws we already have? If you disarm the law abbiding citizens, then we are all easy prey for the criminals who don't care what thre law says. (Ask anyone in England or Austrailia) I do not believe that there is an easy or fast solution to this problem. I hope we can all work together to try and change the loss of respect for other people's opinion and beliefs (as evident by some comments here) and low value our society places on other's life.

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J.R>

11:18 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

I just read on chanel 12 that RI hasn't submitted mental health info to national background check since 2011, and the courts only foward convicted mental persons. This is one way we are ignoring the laws we already have, and why more laws will not help!

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Ken

1:43 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Jr After reading your post I knew who the next reply would be from and that there would be name calling or somehow putting you down personally involved. Dont cloud the discussion with facts or you will feel there rath

Naome Lixes

11:22 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

(Ask anyone in England or Austrailia)

Do you know anyone that lives across the river, let alone across the ocean?
This ridiculous notion has been debunked repeatedly.

How many gun murders in Oz since 1996?
How many gun murders in the UK since their ban?

Read the reports - simple assaults are now reported as violent crime.

Why are so many of the gun-rights advocates here so painfully oblivious to facts?
It would appear that those most desirous of weapons are least informed.

Those of you staunchly defending this position are the source of the problem.
Every one of the weapons used in these murders can be traced to legal sources.

The law is insufficient to police guns, any longer.

When did the obvious become inconceivable - this is about gun violence.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

http://www.reed.senate.gov/contact/

http://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/contact/

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b kcaj

11:39 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

You're absolutely, positively, 100% on-spot correct Naome.

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b kcaj

4:02 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Joe-As you noticed, the two posts by "Dingus Kahn" and "Felix Applegate" were criticized, as their comments had nothing to do with this article.

As far as a "sick freak", there are numerous mirrors in the world Joe.

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John

6:38 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

If there were no guns and nut cases, then we wouldn't need police at the schools! Nut cases and wimps go to the schools to kill people because they know that there isn't anybody there with guns to take them out! Only nut cases and insecure people own guns that are guns made to take out numerous amounts of human beings! Right now the first step is to eliminate the guns then deal with the nuts!!! You don't see the nuts going to the police station to kill anyone. I vote to make people killing machines illegal and then get the nuts some help.

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Joe Sousa.

6:41 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

The twin brother of shot Pc David Rathband and the widower of murdered Pc Sharon Beshenivsky have demanded that British police routinely carry guns in the wake of the killing of two female officers.

Darren Rathband, whose brother was was shot and blinded by gun maniac Raoul Moat in July 2010 and was found dead at his home 17 months later, wrote on Twitter: ‘Give them more than a bloody piece of plastic and some spray. Tragic!’

His call was backed by Paul Beshenivsky, whose wife was gunned down when she attended a botched robbery at a travel agent in Bradford, West Yorkshire, in 2005.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205389/Give-police-guns-just-

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Joe Sousa.

6:45 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

By NBC News staff and wire reports

The debate over whether to give British police officers guns has been reignited following the killing of two unarmed officers, who authorities believe may have been lured to their deaths in an ambush by a suspected double killer.
Police constables Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were shot dead after responding to a hoax call about a burglary in the northern English city of Manchester. A grenade was also thrown during the attack.
Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Peter Fahy said that it appeared to have been “an act of absolutely cold-blooded murder. It's almost impossible to fathom such an evil act."

The suspect, Dale Cregan, 29, handed himself into a local police station after the shootings on Tuesday.

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Joe Sousa.

7:23 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

By Mark Steyn
The Telegrafh
This is what happens when governments try to ban guns
12:01AM GMT 05 Jan 2003
Gun violence on the rise and unarmed Cops die as a result. Don't feed me your Liberal Propaganda. When the criminals are disarmed come for mine.

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Naome Lixes

8:35 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Spare us the hyperbole. Read the facts, you ignoranus.

Homicides by gun in the UK hover around 50, per year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/01/conservative_estimates_on_viol.html

There have been 100 gun homicides in the US, since last Friday.
Are you glad we still lead the developed world in something, Joe?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/us-shooting-deaths-sandy-hook_n_2348466.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

I'm sure there were those that considered Edward Jenner, John Snow, and Jonas Salk to be hysterics peddling propaganda, too. Epidemics can be hard to spot.

Justice will settle on America like the dew.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

enough said

8:36 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

What about all the vet's that are unemployed and would love the opportunity to keep all our children safe? maybe the town should look into someone like that instead of paying out 200, 000 dollars a year to have a officer in all our schools! I would feel just as safe leaving my children in the company of a soldier!

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John

9:59 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Everyone can put there opinion in on here, but what's going to happen is what's going to happen with gun control! You all can sit at home and spend alot of time playing on your PC and putting in your opinions in on this or any other site, but it's like listening to school kids argue. If you want to do sometime constructive about this or any other situation then go do it. Arguing with someone on this site is ridiculous when half the people on here don't even know who there communicating with. I myself just come on here to read the entertainmentand.

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Joe Sousa.

6:05 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Population, UK 53,012,456
Population, US 311,591,917
Hard to compare numbers when you don't use all the facts.

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Joe Sousa.

6:22 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Knowing what we know Americans need to be protected. If you chose to become a victim it's your choice. The majority will not allow what the Crazy Liberals want.
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
The Obama administration released illegal immigrants who went on to commit more crimes, including charges of 19 murders, 3 attempted murders and 142 sex crimes, the House Judiciary Committee said in a report Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/31/illegals-released-feds-19-murders-142-sex-crimes/#ixzz2FsBo073Y
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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Naome Lixes

6:42 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

This is the core of your unbalanced fears? Illegal aliens?

Adam Lanza was born and raised in the US. So were the Columbine killers,
The Tucson and Arizona shooters, and the Sikh temple killer.

Even the outlier, the Virginia Tech shooter was raised in the US from age 8
for fifteen years before killing 32 people.

This is a red-herring - an attempt (yet again) to dodge the issue.
This is about gun violence.

Calling it anything less is pure cowardice.

Are you a coward, Joe?

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Just Another Taxpayer

9:26 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hey Joe, I got news for you, the "crazy liberals" won the election in November. You and your fellow right wing ideologues lost. Wake up, you are in the minority.

Naome Lixes

6:56 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

The UK population is 1/6 the size of the US.

In 2009, they endured 550 murders 39 committed with guns (of any type).
In the US, 15,241 murders with 9146 committed with guns (60%).

If we extrapolate the numbers based on population, multiplying each category
in the UK by 6 we find:

3300 murders
234 murders with guns

The actual multipliers?

27.7 times more muders (15241/550)
234.5 time more gun murders (9146/39)

"Hard to compare numbers when you don't use all the facts."

- Joe Sousa

Too true.

The difference? We've got guns, and lots of them. They don't.

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Joe Sousa.

7:15 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Sorry but you leave out many of the reason for our high crime rate . Like Congresses failure to secure our borders . Your figures are incomplete since they don't show the cause of the high rate. Drugs and illegals = Murder You cant tell us how removing guns from the hands of honest citizens will help.

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Naome Lixes

7:36 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

This is a red-herring; a logical fallacy employed attempting to introduce another topic when the position can't be defended.

How many illegal aliens have entered public places and shot a crowd of people?

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/red-herring/

This is about gun violence, and how gun-rights advocates are culpable.

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Naome Lixes

7:38 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"You cant tell us how removing guns from the hands of honest citizens will help."

Except where it does, as in the UK and Australia. You're dismissing facts.
That's not science. Homicide rates in the UK and Australia are MUCH lower
than the US. Gun violence is vanishingly rare.

The reason? Guns are rare.

It's not complicated.

Joe Sousa.

7:48 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Still waiting for the answer. They don't have the gangs and drug problems we have. I cant wait for a cop when my life is threatened. You have it your way.

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Naome Lixes

7:59 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

This is an obvious smokescreen - you're discounting each refutation and moving on to the next objection. Let's try some "Crazy Liberal math" shall we?

Your concerns about Phoenix, Albuquerque and Los Angeles are genuinely moving - the nearest is 2,190.5 miles. It will take roughly 1 day, 9 hours to
drive here when this fictitious gang comes to take a school hostage.

It is entirely possible that someone in Kansas may notice them, enroute.

How many gangs have attacked innocent people, in public places such as
elementary schools, churches, synagogues, hospitals and theaters?

(Haven't we covered this before? It doesn't happen.)

If you're being threatened by gangs and drug problems, you're involved...
they're not looking for a soft target like a school.

They're also not in Tiverton.

Unless you know something the rest of us don't?
Do tell.

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Naome Lixes

8:09 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"They don't have the gangs and drug problems we have."

Quite right, access to weapons is so thoroughly restricted that gang violence can't spread into the general population. Literally, gang activities are at arm's length.

It is important to note that this ludicrous idea of "Gangs smuggle guns here"
discounts two things;

Most of the guns in the hands of Americans were made here.
The guns used in the previous five mass shootings were purchased legally.

Further, Australia interdicts weapons on an island with 16,000 miles of coastline,
the UK turns away illegal weapons over 7723 miles exposed to the Ocean and the US can't manage 4993 miles of water access.

You're grasping at straws, here and inventing a Strawman to refute facts.

What you're expressing isn't based on reality, it's faith-based.
Just because you want to believe something won't make it so.

It's a religion, this Gun-worship.
It's also a Death cult.

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Just Another Taxpayer

9:29 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Why do you need a cop when you have stated on a number of occasions that you are "packing"?

b kcaj

5:11 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012

Naome-Do you really think you'll ever get an intelligent or rational answer from Joe Sousa?

Joe thinks the answer to everyone's safety is having an arsenal of weapons at their house, such as he has over at 49 Hancock St.

It's going to be a very good day when the ATF comes to pay him a visit and confiscate his vast array of weapons.

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Naome Lixes

9:08 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Let's NOT to encourage violence, please.

It's just practice for making the same case, elsewhere.
I consider Joe a useful idiot, in that regard.

b kcaj

9:18 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Very true Naome-If there were ever a strong case for strict and comprehensive gun control in this country, Joe Sousa would be the perfect example.

Fortunately the tide is beginning to turn in this country, and soon a civilian purchasing and/or owning a high powered assault rifle will become as unacceptable and unlawful as allowing smoking in a restaurant.

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John

10:18 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I keep my identity anonymous because of the same reason Naome. There's alot of nuts out there that could pay me an anonymous visit with a rock against my windshild? Who knows what some people will do?

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Naome Lixes

10:22 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

It's unfair to single out an individual with this sort of publication.

That leads to the sort of vigilantism we're trying to halt.
I want my country back from these idiots, but not by inciting more violence.

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Erin Tiernan

3:03 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

This is a friendly reminder to keep things civil here, people. These are your neighbors and it's okay to disagree, but please keep comments on topic and leave personal remarks out of the discussion.
Thanks and Happy Holidays!

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Joe Sousa.

3:22 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.13 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. 14
* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder. 1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin. 2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.15

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Joe Sousa.

3:23 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

This house protected by Smith and Wesson

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Naome Lixes

3:48 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

If we're going to tolerate cut-and-paste postings, the most conservative voices will over run this site with what amounts to spam.

All of the following posts by Joe Sousa are lifted directly from:
http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

Every citation listed as a source for facts has been refuted, before.

Joe Sousa.

3:14 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict
* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. 1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. 2
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6

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Joe Sousa.

3:18 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime
* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9 * Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:
* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11
* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."12

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Naome Lixes

3:57 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You're attempting to dominate the conversation with spam.

What does any of this have to do with the original topic?
I gather the resistance you've met has you desperately clutching for support.

At least try to formulate your own opinion.
Repeating what someone else told you is for sheep, right.

Not that I don't like sheep.
I just don't :LIKE> sheep...

Joe Sousa.

3:37 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Gun Owners of America
Springfield Va.

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Joe Sousa.

3:49 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Justice Department study:

* 3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."(42)

* 74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."(43)

* 57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."(44)

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Naome Lixes

3:58 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Thanks for the geography lesson.

There are guns in Springfield.
That was a masterful deduction.

Bravo.

Joe Sousa.

4:02 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Like most Liberals when presented with facts . Next will come the anonymous insults

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Naome Lixes

4:07 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You didn't present facts, Joe.

You pasted the entirety of the 2004 "Fact Sheet" from gunowners.org.

http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

It's a lazy attempt to derail the conversation, under the semblance that you thought
this submission through. It's a simple ploy intended to tie up your opposition
without any effort on your own part.

Didn't this get you booted off EastBay?

You're an embarrassment to Tiverton.

Just Another Taxpayer

4:11 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hey, Joe, hows the illegal cigarette trade going?

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Joe Sousa.

4:15 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Facts are facts. you cant dispute honest data collect by a legitimate source . Gun owners are safer than non gun owners. Sheep easy for the picking. Lock your door and hide in your moms basement .

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Naome Lixes

4:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"Lock your door and hide in your moms basement ."

Did you, or did you not copy the entirety of a webpage, without citation?
Did you, or did you not attempt to pass this off as if you were the contributor?

It's lazy, dishonest and intellectually bankrupt. If you want to start your own blog, and present these clippings - that's one thing. An attempt to derail EVERY conversation with volumes of erroneous data that even you haven't read is a ploy.

It's coming to the point where we won't engage you any longer.
Maybe that's best.
http://www.hks.harvard.edu/netgov/files/talks/docs/11_13_06_seminar_Price_citizens-delib_online.pdf

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Naome Lixes

4:42 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"Gun owners are safer than non gun owners."

A Philadelphia study in 2009 directly refutes this.
"Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

There's what you can prove, and there's what you believe.
One relies on facts, the other on "truthiness".

"you cant dispute honest data collect by a legitimate source ."
You said it, Joe.

Just Another Taxpayer

4:17 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Joe, one last question(I don't want to overload your circuits.) Where has TCC CARES been during this discussion regarding the tragedy at SHES? I thought your fellow Teapublicans cared about our community? Why haven't they spoken out against this act of terrorism? Where are their ideas to help make our schools safer? Crickets.....

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b kcaj

4:22 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You'll notice, Joe Sousa cannot bring himself to admit the United Sates has by far the highest death rate in the world among industrialized countries due to firearms, but he chooses to blame all gun violence on "drug dealers and gangs".

Do some research Joe-99.99% of gun violence committed by drug dealers and gangs are perpetuated by other drug dealers and gangs. For the less educated such as yourself Joe, that means they shoot and kill EACH OTHER-they don't committ mass murders of first graders.

Who knows, maybe your craving for guns is due to the fact that you belong to one of the afformentioned groups, and you feel the need for protection. Based upon your nefarious past, it wouldn't come as much of a surprise.

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Joe Sousa.

4:40 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

b kcaj,Try to come up with some thing intelligent to say . Your making an ass out of yourself. And stop posting with multiple names.

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Naome Lixes

4:47 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Joe is, no doubt, just as horrified to find there are people stupid enough to disagree with his "Special Ops" view of the world - just as horrified as I was to find out he lived nearby and had an interest in school age children.

I might feel differently if he had bothered to raise children, himself.

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b kcaj

4:49 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

There it is-The standard response from Joe Sousa when he finds himself intellectually outgunned-he states that every poster with an opinion contrary to his is the same poster using different names.

Remember Joe, it wasn't too long ago that you blamed Paul Doughty for posting with multiple screen names-How did that work out for you?

Joe Sousa.

4:23 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I am a registered Democrat and not a member of the TCC. So how would I know ? In my opinion our School Administration is all over the situation. They have been working to end the Bully problem and too Identify problem children. What else do you recommend ?

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Naome Lixes

4:49 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I recommend you find another interest besides our kids.

I don't find your focus on our children welcome.
It's downright creepy.

b kcaj

4:45 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

But Joe-The TCC endorsed you for town council, and you accepted their endorsement with open arms. Why don't you just admit you were a stooge for the TCC?

In any case, this discussion is about gun control, and Joe has not put forth one valid argument about why civilians should be allowed to purchase or own high powered military style assault weapons. Every time this question is posed to Joe, he either posts a bunch of nonsense about illegal aliens and drug cartels or he runs and hides. Who knows, maybe Joe needs to own these weapons to protect his loads of illegal tax free cigarettes that he brags about bringing into Rhode Island and selling at his social club.

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Naome Lixes

4:51 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hopefully the mods will address this, and revamp the "Terms" to insist that comments stay on topic and are submitted by the poster. The cut-and-paste method lead to the closure of a similar comment page on EastBay.

It proved impossible to maintain, with the endless spam crowding out deliberations.

b kcaj

4:51 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

And stand by floks, it won't be too long before Joe sobers up, re-reads his belligerent posts, and quickly removes them. It's been a hallmark of his posting style since he and Dan Gordon forced the eastbayri.com website to shut down.

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Ken

4:52 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Poor Naome, You are wrong again I have 2 kids. Amd again you name call when you have nothing constructive to say. I think after seeing all of the spam you are putting up that maybe it might be time for you to seek some mental health care.

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Naome Lixes

5:08 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Ken -

Joe Sousa is repeatedly posting his interest in Tiverton's kids.
He has none himself. You're from Smithfield - right?

I'm aware that they're different places, I own a map.

"I think after seeing all of the spam you are putting up that maybe it might be time for you to seek some mental health care." So, when people agree with you,
they're intelligent. When we don't, we need mental health care.

You're not the sharpest tack in the box, Ken.

Joe Sousa.

4:59 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Sorry NL but I never tried to pass off anything as my own. I posted the site below my post. Just eat it up because you are losing the argument. You have no data to back up your diatribes.
b kcaj " And stand by floks"' What a loser. Who do you think is reading your junk ?

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Naome Lixes

5:18 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"You have no data to back up your diatribes."

You mean all those pesky links to places like the UK Homeoffice, and our own ATF?
Your best resource for data about the UK as an example of (your opinion) a violent country is the Daily Telegraph?

http://journalism.winchester.ac.uk/?page=365

There's nothing credible, or useful in what you have to say about this article
or any other that concerns gun control in America.

You like big, hard powerful things you can hold in your hand.
We get it.

Joe Sousa.

5:00 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Gun Owners of America
Springfield Va.
Here it is again for your viewing

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Naome Lixes

5:09 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

It's still spam, off topic, and has been refuted before.

You can't really be this stupid, can you?

b kcaj

5:06 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Joe-There's quite a bit of a difference between hitting a key too quickly as in "floks" vs. "folks", and your grammar, spelling, and punctuation, which more closely resembles a third grade dropout rather than an intelligent adult.

In any case, in regard to your constant spamming of the address of the Gun Owners of America, why don't you make some posters for that organization and put them up all over Newtown. Do you think those poor people would welcome you with open arms Joe?

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b kcaj

5:12 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

"Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States."

That Joe, was a word for word quote from today's Providence Journal. You might want to read the entire article, but you probably only read propaganda fed to you by the NRA and the TCC.

Face it Joe, every person or group who you support has been defeated, from Romney to Doherty to Hinckley to Chafee to Fox to Paiva-Weed to Dan Gordon to the TCC, and now the NRA.

Can't you ever back a winner Joe?

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Joe Sousa.

5:44 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

NDAA Bill, Currently in Conference
Would Strip Servicemen of Their Constitutional Rights
Over this past year, we have alerted you to the dangers of last year’s National Defense Authorization Act (or NDAA for short).

The NDAA could impact all Americans, including gun owners, by allowing them to be indefinitely detained without trial, based on simple membership in certain pro-gun groups or because of particular firearm-related activities. ...

This is what the liberals want. suspend the constitution . All of our right will then come from The Government. Isn't that what we revolted for. Those of us who can read find the time to look at both sides. The assault rifles , any clip over 9 rounds and an end to gun show sales without the same guild lines the state of sale requires. If that was all they wanted I would concede. I know the goals of the left.

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Joe Sousa.

5:52 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.
GOA was founded in 1975 by Sen. H.L. (Bill) Richardson (now retired). Richardson continues to serve as the Chairman of Gun Owners of America, bringing his many years of political experience to the leadership of GOA. Richardson is also an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

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Joe Sousa.

5:59 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

David Brock, Media Matters and gun control hypocrisy
Friday, 17 February 2012 04:05 Written by John Lott

David, say it isn't so! The news from the Daily Caller website is surprising: David Brock, the founder of Media Matters, had a personal assistant illegally publicly carry a concealed handgun in the District of Columbia in order "to protect Brock from threats.” Few organizations have declared their opposition to gun ownership or concealed carry laws as strongly as Media Matters.

The group's opposition to guns has largely been a “scorched earth” approach, demonizing supporters of gun ownership and concealed handgun laws.

Read the Full Story at Fox News

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Ken

4:12 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Hey Joe I just heard the news about a guy by the name of William Spengler who set fire to a car and house so he could ambush the first responders who came to fight the fire. He murdered 2 and wounded 2. Turns out he is a convicted felon who went to jail for manslaughter in the death of his grandmother. After he was chased by police he shot and killed himself . I wonder what change in the law would have prevented this. Lets see, he killed his grand mother and now set fire to a car and house and waited for the first responders to get there so he could shot them. I think there are already laws inplace that ( if he followed the law ) make it illegal for him to get a firearm. Not sure but I dont think that law worked. This sounds like another guy with mental issues that no change in the law would have prevented from getting a weapon. How many more have to die before the anti-gun people stop wasting time and start pushing for better mental health. If the anti-gun people put the blame where it belongs there would be that many more people pushing for Better mental health and the root of the problem might get addressed that much faster.

b kcaj

7:11 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Joe-You still have not answered any questions posed to you such as:

Why does the United States have the highest rate of gun violence of any industrialized country in the world?

Why was it that the guns in the Newtown, Columbine, Aurora, and Virgina Tech mass murders were obtained legally?

Why were no drug dealers or street gangs involved in any of the mass murders mentioned above?

Why do you feel the need to keep an arsenal of weapons in your home?

The questions keep coming Joe, but you always avoid the answers-how typical.

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b kcaj

7:51 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Thanks for the filthy language Joe. Maybe when you sober up in the morning and re-read your post, you'll delete it as you normally do.

As you always do, you choose not to answer any of the questions posed to you, and respond with the usual "multiple name" nonsense. Just for the record Joe, what are the multiple names? Do you really think there is only one person in town who disagrees with your extremist views? Last month's elections surely proved otherwise.

Fortunately Joe, the world is changing, and there is not one thing you can do about it. Be sure to squeeze your guns extra tight tonight-the Honorable State Representative Teresa Tanzi is drawing up gun control legislation to be introduced as soon as the legislature goes back into session that will be even stricter than the federal gun control legislation that will soon be following. You might be losing your precious killing machines sooner than you think.

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b kcaj

8:37 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Don't worry Joe-The profane post you just deleted was saved via your favorite method-cut and paste.

But instead of re-posting it, your vile remarks will be added to the rest of your remarks that have no place on a family friendly website, and will be saved for memorialization.

Give your guns an extra hug tonight Joe-your days of hugging them are soon coming to an end.

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Naome Lixes

6:23 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

" If the anti-gun people put the blame where it belongs there would be that many more people pushing for Better mental health and the root of the problem might get addressed that much faster." - Ken, the mental health expert

If guns are so incidental to the act of killing, why then do we arm soldiers? Should we not instead send them into battle with a drunk driver, or perhaps a ceramic carving knife?

As usual, you can't keep your powder dry, Ken.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The firefighters were killed this morning, and you're already using them.
Even vultures have better table manners than you Tea Party hyenas.

Have you no shame?

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Robert E

10:23 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Naome people can kill without guns but guns can't kill without people. Theres's a reason we don't send guns to the battlefield without soldiers. without a human to pull the trigger gus are harmless no matter how well designed to kill. thats why we don't just drop a bunch of guns on the enemy. A person can kill with a gun, a car, a hammer, a bat and his own hands but none can kill without the person that is the key you need to deal with the people and until you do this will never stop.

Ken

12:16 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Robert I think it is very clear after Naome's last post that her hatered of guns far out weighs her careing for human life. Again when she is faced with the possibility that she may be wrong she resorts to name calling. I now have "no shame" because I want to see something constructive done as soon as possible. Im sure the murdered firefighters would want us to wait until 5 or 6 more people are killed before we take action. I guess I should thank her though for letting me know Im part of the "tea party" Whatever that is. Have a great Christmas day Robert. I need to go and dry my powder I guess. Thank you Naome I didnt know my powder was wet. Whatever that means.

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Naome Lixes

11:16 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

"I think it is very clear after Naome's last post that her hatered of guns far out weighs her careing for human life. " Let me get this straight - you're Pro-Life?

You do understand that the use of guns ends lives, right?
Do I need to draw you a picture?

Maybe you could find a friendly adult to help you with the big words, Ken.

"I now have "no shame" because I want to see something constructive done as soon as possible." By something done, you mean more guns on the street?

"Im sure the murdered firefighters would want us to wait until 5 or 6 more people are killed before we take action." I'm sure the murdered fire fighters wanted
to go home and watch their kids open Christmas presents.

Yet another wing-nut with a gun made that impossible.

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Robert E

1:32 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Ken I am Naome's worst nightmare I am a liberal Democrat who owns guns.

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Ken

2:54 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Naome really you cant be that stupid. Atleast I hope not. Please read this slow so it might sink in this time. By pro life I mean that I want to STOP THE KILLING AS SOON AS POSSIBILE. It is the people pulling the triger. Fix the people . I have had and used guns for 40 years and never killed one person. I have fired thousands of rounds and never even come close to hitting a person. Either I am the worlds worst shot or I have other uses for my guns. As for "I now have "no shame" because I want to see something constructive done as soon as possible." By something done, you mean more guns on the street? Have you completely lost your mind???? I havent once said that there should be more guns on the street. Again you say things that have no truth. Then "Im sure the murdered firefighters would want us to wait until 5 or 6 more people are killed before we take action." I'm sure the murdered fire fighters wanted
to go home and watch their kids open Christmas presents. WHAT??? I was replying to your comment that I was mentioning their deaths too soon. If you want to disprove my comment atleast address what I said and what I ment by it. One thing you got right is there was a NUT CASE that used a gun to kill . I dont know how I can make this any plainer. Its a nut case that used a gun. He used a hammer before this. Doesnt that tell you that the nut case would use what ever weapon he could to get his mission accomplished. Stop worrying about the weapon and fix the person.

Joe Sousa.

9:04 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

The media continues to give these murderers what they seek the most. Their five minutes of fame. They are the talk of the town and nation. These killers seek the spot light and the media is their to fulfill their desire to be famous . If it bleeds it leads. If the killing by copy cats is going to stop the media has to stop glorifying the perpetrators . They think they will become popular after watching the media attention given to these killers. The copy cat attacks are directly related to the 24/7 multichannel coverage of these events.

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Naome Lixes

11:10 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Right, no one is taking advantage of this to push an agenda.

On Christmas, for example.

We listened to you whinge about Obama's birth certificate for five years.
Your turn!

Ken

9:22 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

I agree that they are driven to do these thing to make a statement and became famous for whatever period of time. I dont see how we can fully blame the media though. Maybe if they refused to print the names of the loonies that are doing this it might help but I dont see how they could just stop reporting these tragedies. Here is some news that the anti- gun people will never talk about on their own. http://www.news10.net/news/article/222195/2/1-dead-in-Sacramento-home-invasion

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Ken

9:54 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday's To All
Peace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe Sousa.

10:16 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

We don't negotiate with Terrorists for a reason. The media should show more respect for the families to begin with . When they continue to show these images it's disrespectful. Do you know why they wouldn't show the pictures of people diving out of the top floors on 911 ?

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Joe Sousa.

5:54 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.”
― Thomas Jefferson

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b kcaj

9:44 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

So Joe-What are your thoughts on the lastest massacre-this time the firefighters in upstate New York?

Looks like another Bushmaster .223-One of your favortite types of killing machines.

Give your precious guns an extra hug tonight Joe-You won't be owning them for much longer.

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Naome Lixes

11:31 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

I find it ironic that we're being admonished for our indiscretion in response to an atrocity because it's "disrespectful" and yet carry on Christmas day.

I think anyone still supporting this outrageous notion should be required to work at a trauma center holding the hand of each gunshot victim until the shooting stops.

If photos of the carnage at these shootings were released, we would be voting
not which weapons to confiscate, but where to slag the lot.

The Second Amendment wasn’t included in the Bill of Rights so that crazy people could buy guns and go around slaughtering kids and innocents so gun-rights advocates could then claim that as the price of freedom.

If you do, you're a hysterical idiot. Your argument is invalid.

The Founding Fathers never said anything about sending your kids out to
pursue Life, Liberty and watch out for crossfire in the cafeteria.

If you're still on the fence about this, you fail at America. Sit down and STFU.

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Joe Sousa.

3:46 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

To defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We are allowed to hunt and defend our selves from all enemies . That means crooks and murderers.

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Naome Lixes

6:53 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

"We are allowed to hunt and defend our selves from all enemies . That means crooks and murderers." Most of whom happen to be in our own neighborhoods.

You fail at America, Joe.

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Ken

8:15 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Joe responding to her is just what she wants you to do. Im one of my posts to her I said that she couldnt be that stupid, I hope. But she has proven me wrong again. Please do not respond to her. She gets her fun saying thing just to get a response from you. My guess is that she either has never been married or if she has she has been divorced atleast once. This is her entertainment. Dont feed into her.

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Naome Lixes

10:55 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

"She gets her fun saying thing just to get a response from you."

Nope, people that share my point of view sat on the sidelines while this know-nothing retread of a Tea Party dragged the country down.

You won't get any more free passes, Ken. It's a public forum, you're free to express you misconceptions, I'm free to point out your inaccuracies.

"My guess is that she either has never been married..."
Nope.

"..or if she has she has been divorced atleast once."

Three strikes. I've never even confirmed my gender.

"This is her entertainment. Dont feed into her."

Joe is why I got onto the Patch in the first place.
Do yourself a favor, Ken.

Google Oranuch B. Sousa

b kcaj

7:26 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Joe Sousa said:

"That means crooks and murderers."

For once Joe, you spoke the truth-how ironic.

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