The Job Market in RI is directly effected by the type of Government we have here. Like the USSR the shelves are bare.

William you tell nimrod wrong attitude look at yours democrats have done an excellent job unlike that other party who couldn't pass a energy efficent light bulb bill and refuses to negotiate with the president

FORWARD

Novan, are you blind or just stupid? This state needs to switch from being a democratic state to republican or it will go bankrupt. Look around you.... how many are on food stamps, medicaid, etc.... now how many of those are illegals and criminals ( because illegals are criminals and breaking the law ) ? You have a gov people have no respect for and call him gump, and you have langevin who only appears for photo ops and doesn't do a bloody thing for the poor or disabled in this state, i know from personal experience in dealing with him, and every other of these wanna be people who profess they can fix things......... they've all tried and failed, and it's the ignorant who keep saying we live by insanity. The definition of insanity incase you don't realize it, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result! That's what is going on in this state and it will not get any better until things change and this state stops voting blindly all democrat. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Wrong attitude nimrod, you will never evoke change like that. You need to get into one of the parties we have and start throwing your elbows around. Change will only come from the force from with in. now outside. Engage the party from inside, that's what the people did who changed it to what it is now. This is the difference between the occupy people and the tea party. The tea party has moved on to having an active voice in stopping the spending and forcing responsible government. The occupy people just need a bath...

Staying home only lets the other side win...

Lets the other side win? Oh yeah, its a pissing match. Not so much of finding good for the people or what will help the country thrive. Its about them making the dollar bills and you staying under the boot. Joining either party will do nothing as they are both compromised and corrupt. Just stay home and wait it out. Attempting to join a optical party and having an impact is like trying to fix something that doesn't want to be fixed.

"Freedom is only one generation away from extinction. It is not passed onto our children through the bloodstream. It is fought for, defended and given to them to do the same." -- Ronald Reagan

This is funny if you read it like it was written for William Shatner.

So, you're responses are more potent
if they're stacked
like dog
turds?

During a job review (you do have a job, doncha MW?) do you run down a litany of last year's screwups, or stress the positive?

Obama's detractors will have it both ways; if he's confident and poised, then he must be detached from the public, if he's conciliatory and reasoned, he's an apologist unfit for the highest office.

The alternative? Romney will sell off prime military real estate along both coasts
to pay for servicing the National Debt on a Tuesday.

A Romney Presidency promises to bring the Predator State out in the open:

1) Cut taxes on the wealthy
2) Reduce regulation
3) Fear inflation above all else
4) Insist on free-floating currency rates.

Yet mainstream economists have spent much of the past decade examining the results, and declaring them rotten. Supply-side stimulation is a mirage. Deficits matter. Inequality matters. The disasters in Latin America--bread riots in Argentina, inflationary madness in Brazil - and Africa - bankrupt governments and capital flight - were a direct result of the Reagan-Bush agenda.

James Galbraith, the Predator State.

@naome you're kidding me right? when was the last time obama attended a meeting with the military, department heads, defense secretary, provided security for the embassies, told the truth for that matter? that movie never would have been made if obama wasn't such a scum sucking muslim marxist terrorist bound and determined to make the USA a socialist muslim nation and remove any and all christianity.... he boo'd god remember? or were you too blind to see? he allows his own family to come into this country illegally, break the law over and over and over, doesn't deport them, and encourages all the fkn anchor babies to stay, i'll give you everything free and screw the homeless, starving, dying, people and children that are legal residents, it's people like you with blinders on that are going to be the ultimate RUIN to the USA that my dad nearly died defending coming to this country legally and fighting in vietnam, and my brother who was nearly killed in afghanistan, and watched his best friend blow up in front of him from an IED. how dare you!

UnfilteredHonesty:
You sound like a typical uneducated voter. Throw insults, ignore the facts, and then rely on the sacrifices of others to prove your point (Father, Brother etc,). Go back to Fox news.

Obama gave 1.5 billion to the muslim brotherhood and they still hate him...

william stop spouting off lies and twisting the discussions

Cite your source.

That sounds like a fabrication.

You want sources, sure no problem. By the way, this William fellow makes alot of statements, but doesn't seem to finish it up.

Source for US supporting the Syrian opposition, that is actually Al Qaeda - fighting the Syrian government.
http://www.infowars.com/11-years-after-911-u-s-and-al-qaeda-come-full-circle-in-syria/

Here's a pretty link of the Al Qaeda fellows running around with NATO ammunition, gee wonder where they got that from. Oh yeah in Libya, where we armed Al Qaeda to take out Gaddafi.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106062998

Oh oh, and here is how they fabricate the news, so you THINK you are being told whats going on, but in fact, its the complete opposite, Well Gee Golly Bobby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ONQO0FDQQ

Some more fine news examples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzRwwtk7q8&feature=player_detailpage

Here is a news station talking about how hard the us media is trying to spin this whole situation. You are in an information media war, to shape your opinion to attack Iran. Its the same thing that happened with Iraq..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-LYWHn6L4Y&feature=player_detailpage

Hope you did your own research but here is top of google for egypt, obama, muslim brotherhood, 1.5 billion,
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/03/21/obama-bypasses-congress-gives-1-5-billion-to-muslim-brotherhood

...I get it though..you see, they don't lose money on the abortion but they lose the $0.02 tax revenue they can wrestle from the little girl.

Again, cite your source.

These don't sound correct.
Let me guess which propaganda outlet provided them.... hhmmm, Fox?

Typical liberal, want us to do their work for them. Come on, you cant really be asking this? I state this and you don't check it out and find it to be real? Your more than that now, are you?

"Typical liberal, want us to do their work for them. Come on, you cant really be asking this? I state this and you don't check it out and find it to be real? Your more than that now, are you?"

You make an outrageous claim.
I challenge you to prove it. Onus Probandi.

You tell me to disprove something that doesn't exist?
This is a classic tool of cheats and liars, forcing the disbelievers to disprove their
unsuportable position - a favorite of the Tea Party faithful.

Perhaps you heard it somewhere, or know someone that says they read it somewhere on the internet - it still doesn't make it true.

Perhaps you know something we don't WB. If you can provide source material,
perhaps we'll know it too.

More likely, you're a typical Fox Geezer who couldn't find a fact with both hands, a flashlight and a roadmap.

Nice try, dimwit.

I'm glad you are calling me a dimwit. You are about to be schooled by a dimwit. I hope you have one of those expensive ivy league educations too. You know, the ones where they charge you a lot of money and tell you how smart you are. They got a lot of them in RI you know, I think and I can't cite anything, just my own theory but because there are more people graduating college in RI than high school, the teachers and professors are the voting block. This would also explain a few things. (code for progressive socialists)
So tell me what you would like me to cite? Middle school girls getting abortions?
Tell me your a MSLSD uniformed liberal? You didn't see ACORN get busted in the videos setting up abortions for under age prostitutes? Really, you need me to get you more than that?
The lemonade stand thing?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/03/the-inexplicable-war-on-lemonade-stands/

Obama and the current administration is responsible for "NIMBY gone wild"?
Even in a fervid imagination, that's a leap.

For the remotely curious, the same Forbes article cited has a link to
"Lemonade stands and actually important issues"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/27/lemonade-stands-and-actually-important-issues/

We never hear anything from the oh-so cute "MSLSD" glitterati about real incursions on freedom, like the DoJ strip search guidelines, NSA wiretaps and declaring Americans as enemy combatants - outside of legal restrictions.

But I digress.

"You didn't see ACORN get busted in the videos setting up abortions for under age prostitutes? Really, you need me to get you more than that? "
Yeah, that would be nice. I love science fiction.

Honestly William, if you genuinely believe this you are already lost to us.
Look around you, is everyone ticked off and white?

School's open, do instruct us.

And Bill?

Calling you a dimwit is probably insulting to dimwits.

Brighter minds than my own would disagree with your analysis..
Dr. Lardaro, for one -
http://blogs.providencejournal.com/ri-talks/this-new-england/2012/05/leonard-lardaro-ris-weird-jobless-rate-has-actually-been-falling.html

"Just look at RI and how far down it has gone, and is still sinking."
You do understand that Romney's backers sold you out in the 1980's and shipped these jobs off to slave-wage countries?

You want to vote for more of the same?

"Notice how the crime has shot up, more bank robberies, house invasions, DUIs? "
Cite your figures, that sounds like "truthiness".

"....with no explanation of how a nation going bankrupt could pay for this largess. "

You did hear the whole discourse on arithmetic, right?

U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, promises that his proposed budget will free America “from the crushing burden of debt now threatening its future.”

It would do no such thing. To the contrary, the Tax Policy Center says that major tax cuts included in the Ryan budget would reduce federal revenue by $418 billion in 2015 alone; by 2019, revenue losses would exceed half a trillion dollars each and every year. That will make the deficit worse, not better.

" Have we really fallen so far so fast?"
Yep. Too much flag waving, not enough fact checking.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120905/COLUMNIST0150/309050062/Fact-checking-beneath-Romney-campaign?nclick_check=1

MW..I also agree w/ Govstench.
Your last question must be a rhetorical question though...you really didn't expect a reply as if there were some elected official on here did you? Although there could be one blog stalking under an assumed name.

"...no one running for office is talking about property taxes, and they are already through the roof. Not only on the real estate but on vehicles."

What you're experiencing is a regressive tax rate.
(Look it up, genius.)

Umm... that's Congress, and they haven't cut the check just yet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-aid-to-egypt-stalled/2012/09/17/36ef0402-00e0-11e2-9367-4e1bafb958db_story_1.html

Anyone that thinks Dick Cheney's former advisor, Neil Patel calls them all the same
has a short memory, or scant curiosity.

Why weren't you screaming when Bush added 5 trillion to the national debt?

"but corporations are looking at the "global" climate and are realizing that this country is no longer competitive with the rest of the world"

Really? And all this time I thought it was the massive tax breaks signed into law by the previous Republican President.

The Romney tax code foreign profits exemption clearly intends to promote this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-hammers-romney-tax-plan-eliminate-foreign-profits-2012-7

"Romney and the jobs that went overseas, did you notice that a major manufacturing plant in New Hampshire has just shut down this past month and those jobs are going to China? Notice that one?" Nope.

Do tell.

"Probably excessive government regulations - perhaps state and federal combined, but corporations are looking at the "global" climate and are realizing that this country is no longer competitive..."

That's a little broad - did you forget wages?

Here's what happens when there are no government regulations: drink it in!
http://www.trt.net.tr/trtworld/en/newsDetail.aspx?HaberKodu=925afce2-45a0-4918-ad2f-f88724a9e471

You're not actually defending the practice of slave labor and open pollution?
Something rotten in that thinking, Stench.

So you drank the obama kool aid that republicans want dirty air and dirty water huh Naome? Well can I point you to a very conservative and republican document. The Decloration of Independance. No conservative wants irresponsible use of nature and natural resources. Those are progressives and they are in both parties. The tea party is working to get them out of the republican party. Oh yeah, the pejorative way you speak of the tea party, you must be one of those progressives. Liberal, democrat or republican progressive, they are all the same...

"So you drank the obama kool aid that republicans want dirty air and dirty water huh Naome?" Romney has already stated that he would gut the EPA...
http://grist.org/politics/2012-01-05-if-they-win-republicans-plan-to-permanently-cripple-epa/

FYI - Saying things like "drink the kool aid" is an indication that you believe the propaganda machine (of your choice) and disregard inconvenient facts outside of the neat explanation you embrace. In short, you're a tool of the owners.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76022.html

Anyone that remembers Love Canal, Acid rain and Libby, Montana recognizes the EPA for what it is - the guard dog keeping illegal dumpers out of my yard.

"Oh yeah, the pejorative way you speak of the tea party, you must be one of those progressives. Liberal, democrat or republican progressive, they are all the same..."
When I hear the Tea Party come out for swepping defense cuts, I'll believe that the Tea Party is anything more than the "Know-nothings" reborn.

You, and your fellow congregants are the willing tools of those that would
sell us all out to the highest multinational bidder. (Immune to US law.)

You're either with us Americans, or against us Bill.
Which is it?

C'mon on now Gramps..you're not from RI or you would know better than to use the prom analogy. The American Criminal Lovers Union has threatened the state with long litigation..we might have to go to a Prom Person..however..it was well written.

Dem Mr. Cicilline told lies of omission & lies of commission- such as that Providence was in excellent financial condition when really it was like a category 5 hurricane.

Certain Democrats are caught up in hypocritical secret selfishness.

What they say is all part of the larger strategy. Mr. Cicilline stays on the Democrat’s message and sings the song necessary to be a Dem candidate. In his David-&-elderly-lady campaign he’s now voicing-over, linking himself directly to the party. That’s his one “issue” now.

Mr. Fox has one issue. He wants what he wants-now! And, yes, he wants it put to a vote–but only by his little committee.

Elizabeth Warren says she fixed Wall St & big banks & so you have to elect her - so she can fix Wall St & the big banks. What?!

The "final divide between the rich & poor"? The Obamas became millionaires while he was in public office. (“Oh yes we can.”) Public school is good enough for your kids- but not for theirs. America is not safer. Americans are not better off. College grads have debt, not jobs. More poverty means more poor mothers & more poor fathers. US median income is the lowest since 1996.

Hypocritical Democrats shouldn't make decisions for "all Americans". They may “play poor” but many got rich in public office.

Americans aren’t proud
when new college graduates are discouraged
& will have to pay off the debt that Mr. Obama’s risky bets yielded.

We can't afford 4 more years of Mr. Obama.

Drink a lot of MSLSD these days?

There can't be 4 more when there wasn't any..4 X 0 =

Four more years of forward to the past. 1000 years of darkness.

I get what you're say, Dan, however if you don't vote, you can't complain.

Yeah, your go far in life with that one.

William, thank you for resulting to a personal insult. It just shows that you've devolved into another political monkey.'

Leave, I don't complain. I just see it for what it is, and tune it out. The place is going to go to hell in a hand basket either way. You think your vote is going to change that? ha

If thats an isult then its no wonder your sitting here complaning.

Showing up and voting once a year is not how you retain freedom. If you are a loafer and lazy that makes it all the more easy for the other side to take advantage. Franky we would be better off without you...

Dan Buddy,
It may or may not make a difference..but I'm not going to follow Lemmings off the cliff.

You mean the coal mines being replaced by American Natural gas producers?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec12/energy_08-08.html

Either you do, or do not believe in the free market - natural gas is CHEAPER.

"Economics also are a factor in the decision, an energy analyst said, given the low prices of natural gas, which make it difficult for older coal-fired plants to compete with more efficient gas-fired units.

“Right now, natural gas has a substantial natural advantage due to its lower cost and comparatively benign environmental profile compared to coal,” said Paul Patterson, an analyst with Glenrock Associates."

Tom Johnson, NJSpotlight 22JUN12.

"...and prints $40 billion more..." Perhaps you mean The Federal Reserve and the next round of quantitative easing? That's a private enterprise, Will.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-13/fed-plans-to-buy-40-billion-in-mortgage-securities-each-month.html

So, you're against service providers using cheaper resources AND against privately held banks spending their own money? I fail to see how that's an Obama problem, it seems more like a poor grasp of basic economics.

"...you think your taxes aren't going up..."
We are running a deficit, and taxes are how the Government pays creditors.

Did you take civics in grade school? This is pretty elementary stuff.

Are you afflicted with Fox Geezer syndrome?
There's help -it's called an "OFF" button.

Oh boy...And Naome, learn how the process of attaining Natural Gas works. It's called fracking, and its destroying the majority of aquifers in the states its occurring in. "Natural Gas" is far from a good thing. Hell there is a documentary on the whole subject called Gasland ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8) . Go ask the residents of Montana who have 500 acre farms how they feel about their drinking water turning into fuel.

Humm, if its cheaper, why is it costing more? Have a problem with up and down?

Have you read the constitution? Devaluing our money through fiat is like letting unchallenged illegals invade our job market.

The constitution doesn't' provide for laissez faire spending at the federal level.
Maybe a redo of that civics class is in order.

"Unlike the close-minded stereotype the DNC tried to pin-down on Republicans"
You mean the facts that were enumerated?

It all adds up to another 4 years.

"THAT SAID, anyone who thinks that the social wedge issues and mud-slinging the job-creaters is a winning strategy is living a pipe-dream."
If the constituents benefiting from "trickle down economics" actually created jobs
in the US of A perhaps things would be different.

Anyone that can make a case for trickle down economics producing American
jobs in the last 30 years? Anyone?

"Amd how about that platform?!"
"taibg 'God' out of their platform and not includong Jerusalem"

Is it true that people type the way they speak?

Perhaps English isn't your first language?
Welcome to my country, we like FACTS.

I want my country back from you knuckle-draggin' gabronie meat heads in a tri-cornered hat. You're "mis"remembering an America that never was...

That would be your driver's license photo, or your winning personality, UFH?

I'm an independent, in many regards.

Why do you ask?

just curious

Hey but the box is made in the USA! It is disgusting. The junk parts they send us are pathetic. They are brand new not even remanufactured junk. But for Americans it is all about the $!

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june04/jobs_3-11.html

Republicans have no memory.

"tougher environmental and labor laws are the REAL CULPRIT in such a lack of opportunity in the private-sector..."

Labor laws like paying more than $400 per month for 160 hours of work?

Labor laws like, Saturday and Sunday are not mandatory days of work?

Don't forget Bubba on how he thinks he had a surplus, wile gutting the military, then Gingrich and the contract with America and all theos republicans that forced bubba to ballance the budget. Oh and then there is this,
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-625087-clinton-wrecked-the-economy-not-republicans.htm

China received the MFN designation in 1980,
"http://opensiuc.lib.siu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1154&context=uhp_theses";

The strongest pressure to rescind this trade status came after the Tiananmen massacre, when Bush 41 was President. https://www.fas.org/man/crs/92-094.htm

" Bill Clinton Started the ball rolling taking millions in contributions to make China the "Favored Nation" in trade." That's a slanderous insinuation - any proof?

Naome Lixes cant answer the question
Why has this President and Congress allowed this to happen ?
Why are we members of the WTO
Just blame other for an inept President

More than likely it's the 70 cents an hour for labor.Short term profit no matter what.

From the same article, quoted above:

"The dollar amounts for a single adult would be $95, $325 and $695 during that same time period.

Roughly 30 million non-elderly Americans are projected to remain uninsured in 2016, though most will not be subject to the penalty tax. For instance, the penalty will be waived for people with very low incomes who don't have to file tax returns, those who are members of certain religious groups, or people who face insurance premiums that would exceed 8 percent of family income even after including employer contributions and federal subsidies."

These are the same people seeking innoculations at free clinics and checking into the ER for minor complaints, since they don't have a doctor or coverage.

Your point?

Ask yourself, What would happen to a kid who walked into a classroom sat down, folded his or her arms and said "I'm against organized labor". What do you think the unionizes teachers would set about to do?
Like naome is counting on, I have to grind out a buck today and can't sit here all morning and bust her on her socialist propaganda machine. I will do my part to take her on line by line.

Do me a favor though, ask yourself, what is collectivism? Know it, be able to recognize it. This is their holy grail, its what they are after.

Its funny because they are looking to destroy the bourgeoisie and when they do they always become the bourgeoisie, what a joke. Here is an example. Obummer goes to do the socialist show, Letterman, wile in NYC Jayzee and Beonce court him, these two idiots are filthy rich, now they are idiots because ether this guy is after their wealth or he just wants to be part of their crowd. What one is it? And why didn't he bring along a few to use naome's word, as if we have those on hand in this country, "the downtrodden" what a big farce...

Naome Lixes How can you justify taking money from people earning $8 to $12 dollars an hour. It's like you want to kill jobs and force people on welfare. It's just amazing the way they spin the lie.

"How can you justify taking money from people earning $8 to $12 dollars an hour."
You mean, people SHOULD NOT pay for services?

That's how the free market works, isn't it?
We're for free markets, aren't we Joe?

"It's like you want to kill jobs and force people on welfare."
Where, exactly did I say that? That's plainly stupid.

Arguing with you is like discussing architecture with a cinder block.

What you're employing is a fallacy, "Moving the Goalposts".
You raise a ridiculous, unsubstantiated, patently false point and I knock it down.

That's not spin, it's refutation.
(A six-dolla word for calling out bul**it.)

Why does this happen so often?
When revealing facts to someone that has the brains God gave a donut - It's easy.

What Is “Moving the Goalpost?”

The “Moving the Goalpost” logical fallacy is another one that has a fairly descriptive name. It is the case when Person A makes a claim, Person B refutes it, and Person A moves on to a new or revised claim, generally without acknowledging or responding to Person B’s refutation. Hence, the goalpost of the claim has been shifted or moved in order to keep the claim alive.

Ah, a simple fabrication touted as fact from an attack dog;

The Obama administration counts savings from efficiencies, something that should be familiar to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of market forces.

"What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers."

Politifact, 22AUG12.

"I CAN'T STAND people how continue to foster the OUTRIGHT LIE that Democrats/the left are for helping ethe downtrodden, and Republicans/Conservatives want to 'Scrooge' them, so to speak..."

It's not figurative, the Ryan plan slashes social services and Romney wants to
increase defense spending beyond the requests of the DoD.

Even Grover Nordquist thinks this is unsound.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/081612_pentagon_budget/norquist-opposes-romney-plan-increase-military-budget/

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf

" It's food stamps Vs. Opportunity plain and simple."

Well someone is simple, here.
Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome, BGOP?

Turning people off the welfare roles with a growing armed services sounds like
a recipe for invading yet another country instead of solving our jobs problem.

You're being fed a steady stream of lies, dude.

BristolGOP,
You do know that Medicare is a "socialist" program, right?
ANYONE on SS, SSDI, or Medicare/Medicaid is part of the 47% that Mitt Rommney admitted he does not care about!
So go tell your elderly parents and grandparents that Rommney thinks they are deadbeats!

Oh, and the "R's" are for owning the fish and charging you top dollar to eat them.

Yes, I'm ignoring that the stock market just hit a five year high, and that EVERY measurable economic indicator shows the economy moving in the right direction. I am also ignoring the the RNC admitting that they will and have done EVERYTHING they can to ruin President Obama's first term, no matter the national consequences. (Mitch McConnell KY-R).

Oh, and I will not pay attention to the statement that President Obama cut defence spending, since he had never had a budget passed and defence spending has rinsen every year he has been in office.

What's sad for me Jack,is how Americans have been so thoroughly duped by the right and left.Money is everything,morality is nowhere and people have lost their dignity and self repect.They've been deprived of opportunity.Long term investment is gone,Gordon Gekko,short term profit and debt are the norm and it will end badly.It won't matter what anyone's polical religion is and who is right and who is wrong because the money changers have taken over the temple.

Don't believe me?Do some research and find out about the trillions of dollars thrown at the global Too Big to Fail system.There's not enough money in print to pay back all the debt but there are some that will profit greatly from it by trading paper and not making anything but profit.

Thats the way it was designed Jack. You se, the more they do the less free we are. Now with the tea party we can start to unravel what they got us into.

Two things: these remarks were delivered in 1998, speaking to an audience at Loyola university - and the FULL remarks follow:

"What that means then is that as we try to resuscitate this notion that we’re all in this thing together, leave nobody behind, we do have to be innovative and thinking what are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live. And my suggestion, I guess would be that the trick, and this is one of the few areas where I think there are technical issues that have to be dealt with as opposed to just political issues. I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure everybody’s got a shot."

Barak Obama

There's no trick there, it's the image you have of America, tomorrow.
With one, every child has the opportunity to advance based on their acumen, determination and educational achievement.

With Romney's version, we return to the halcyon days of France, where a child's future was determined entirely by their birth - a result of inherited wealth and
royal privilege.

A little background into the cause of the French revolution,
for those that skipped 6th grade History-

Resentment of royal absolutism.
Resentment of the Feudal system
The rise of enlightenment ideals.
An unmanageable national debt
Food scarcity

And now “the trick, the trick” is to
reach back ....to the French Revolution?!

And “forward”, yes, of course.

And that’s supposed to make us forget all about
what the current administration
has not done
to fix the economy.

And should we all put our kids in private schools?
Because if the public schools are not good enough for
the Whitehouse children and the Chafee children and
the Obama children
then they probably aren’t good enough for our kids.

It’s kind of the “let them eat cake” of the Obama administration.

Too funny, girlfriend.
Are you paid by the hour or the word?

Manifold,
You just don't get it. The Republicans are just as guilty of runaway spending. But, you choose to blame the POTUS.

" Health care costs? All-time high. But Mr. Obama (2012 acceptance) promised to strengthen Medicare by reducing health care costs." No specifics???? Yes, actually there are, it's called the AHCA. Try reading it.

And you really want to attack the President over fundraising? Take a good long look at the attendees of Mitt's "dinner parties".

Media matters is an independent, not for profit agency that aggressively researches claims made without attribution or factual basis. The frequency with which Media Matters investigates this sort of propaganda issued by Fox News might indicate a bias, or it might just be that Fox is frequently guilty of low journalistic standards. My disgust at the endless repetition of falsehood by the retired community on this blog isn't bias, it's just common sense.

Get this straight, I'm no fan of Obama.
I outright detest the way these pages have become an aggregator for bile.

http://mediamatters.org/about

Go back and read the whole quote.

That's what it comes down to; you either believe in the integrity of people that have the temerity to verify facts when the purveyors will not - or you watch Fox news.
"... the fact that you use such a biased site as Media Matters is VERY TELLING"

You mean, I don't believe everything I see in print and turn a jaundiced eye
toward yellow journalism? I suppose that is telling, it's what thinking people do.

We check things that don't pass the *sniff* test.
You lot seem inclined to just give it a pass.
http://mediamatters.org/about

"And should we all put our kids in private schools?
Because if the public schools are not good enough for the Whitehouse children and the Chafee children and the Obama children then they probably aren’t good enough for our kids."

What? I don't suppose my kids have the same kind of security detail.

If you had a whisper of retention in your addled memory, you would recall that I got up on this high horse because of challenges to public education in Tiverton.

"It’s kind of the “let them eat cake” of the Obama administration."
Which one of the candidates was born rich?

Which one has set up tax-free trust funds for all their children, which pay out
for the life of the recipient - millions, each year?

I think you got the surnames wrong, Binky,
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/tag/mitt-romney/

Move the goalposts back again, I'll just kick another one through.

I agree Cranston. Media Matters is about as "center of the road" as the Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN) is. My guess is some people read articles in on-line media and believe it's ground truth. The news outlets always reflect the owner/editor/writer's slant. "just because it is written doesn't make it so"... especially on the internet ..the French model..Bonjour

"My guess is some people read articles in on-line media and believe it's ground truth. The news outlets always reflect the owner/editor/writer's slant."

The difference? Media Matters isn't a news paper, or wire service.
They insist on verifiable sources, on the record.

"Un-named" sources are for conspiracy sites - not the news.

Fox sells this bilge to whip up the willing to further an agenda. It's has manufactured outrage for profit - H.L. Menken would have gutted them for breakfast over this throwback to yellow journalism.

That it is so frequently quoted here - when refutation is available from the
originating source, a few clicks away, speaks volumes about the Fox Faithful -
you don't check your facts, and your source doesn't think the matter.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
H. L. Mencken

Insisting on factual reporting is a neutral enterprise.

The Washington Examiner?
The free circulation paper owned by Philip Frederick Anschutz?

It has never turned a profit.

Tony Blankley, former editorial page editor and currently a columnist for The Washington Times, is also dubious that Anschutz is looking for a profit from the Examiner and the Standard. For a fabulously wealthy man, Blankley said, an opinion magazine that suddenly increased its circulation from 30,000 to 300,000 “wouldn’t even be a rounding error in his monthly miscellaneous account. The idea that a person of that immense wealth would see The Weekly Standard as a profit center strikes me as improbable.

MICHAEL CALDERONE | Politico 10/16/09

As if his editorial board would look for anything positive about Barry.
If there were photos of Obama handling fluffy kittens, TWE would caption it -
"It's what's for dinner - the other white meat!"

Hatchet job -
Informal a malicious or devastating verbal or written attack

Claiming that a not for profit like Media Matters is biased is like saying sailors
are opposed to drowning. The source material is parsed for the most damaging inference, at every turn and only applied to the opposition.

This is the open hand of a plutocracy - buying a media outlet and keeping it alive only to discredit unfavorable opposition.
You'll never hear this sort of research published on Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan,
not by the Washington Examiner, anyway.

Well,
According to FOX news, that's a lie. Media Matters was not paid. They were fed information. Big difference.

OldTownie is correct. They were not paid. Your tax dollars did however go to the salary of a person at the DOJ who coordinated with Media Matters during work hours. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/18/emails-show-justice-working-with-media-matters-to-target-critics/

"Your sources are garbage "Naome"
That's a "poisoning of the well" fallacy.

No, if they can be verified as accurate, complete and factual, quite the opposite.
As has been frequently been the complaint of regular posters, here, this is based on the notion that there's a different set of facts (and standards) by which to judge
a claim. There isn't. If you can prove the claims made by Media Matters are false,
CASE BY CASE - then do so.

Just because you believe it to be so, doesn't make it true, Dan.

By way of clarification, when you wingnuts use the word "spin" do you mean refute?
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~goodwin/spcom322/refute.pdf

Speaking of networks Joe, you should get the NFL Network-good game tonight-Giants vs. Panthers. You need to take a break from politics-might cool you off a bit.

"The MRC Network
The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and Neutralizing Liberal Media Bias"

So, there's more than one wing of Fox news?
Can't you people see you're being thrown on the pyre?

If you can't measure it, test it, taste it, record it or photograph it - it's fake.

There are so many conservative "news" outlets that it feels orchestrated.
The fact that none of these conservative sites raise an eyebrow to legislation
drafted in entirety by ALEC calls their very assertion of neutrality.

Every instance of transgression against the Constitution or Bill of Rights by
conservative forces gets a breezy skim for content.

If a centrist or liberal proposes something that's remotely controversial, we're treated to a grainy video from when they were on the high school debate team.

It's ludicrous to claim that this is anything resembling the "fair and balanced"
coverage claimed. The dogged assertion that Obama has failed doesn't bear
scrutiny - prove it. Cite your sources, be prepared to defend shaky references.

"The hard truth is after four years this president has failed to deliver."
How so? Corporate profits are up, the stock market is resurgent - shouldn't that
be "trickling down" to the rest of us? What are you suggesting, Joe - that
the Government should tax banked profits? That sounds like redistribution.

"He blames every one but himself."
Cite one instance where the POTUS has covered his narra arse....

G'head, Jethro.

Yeah and tell elsworth toohey that birth control has always been free. Free-er to the ugly ones.

It's not that President Obama has gone to tricle down, it's Congress will not pass meaningful corporate tax code revision.

The POTUS has NO control over the price of gas....there is absolutely no way for him to affect what a corporation charges for it's product. Remember, we call that free market economy. That's what all of you keep screaming for. Freedom!!!! Corporations, since they are people too) are free to screw the American people.

Your blaming the wrong pony in this race.

"Your blaming the wrong pony in this race."
Old Townie

As we've noted, all along, the same forces that outsources holds all the resources.
The Tea Party was whipped into a frenzy by these same agencies and turned on their neighbors - what we should be outraged about is the lobbyists writing law
to benefit the highest bidder.

Start with overturning Citizen's United.
Enforce campaign finance laws to preserve "One Person = One Vote"
Close the rotating door to K street lobbying firms.

If you want to know the truth, follow the money...

Only 10% of Romney's campaign chest was filled by small individual contributions.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/264837/20111210/ron-paul-newt-gingrich-mitt-romney-funds.htm

Note that Romney's top five contributors are ALL multinational banks.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

I suppose you get what you pay for...

"He has helped corporations at the expense of the average American."
Can you elaborate?

"According to the Obama Administrations Bureau of Labor Statistics, median weekly earnings have fallen 5% since he took office."
What is the median rate of pay, in the same period?

Employers paying fewer desperate people less could account for this.

" My home is worth less than it was in 2009."
Umm... housing bubble?
Toxic default swaps, Banks unshackled by Glass-Steagall? Any of this ring a bell?

Are you saying Obama caused the housing crisis?
Foreclosed properties depress housing prices the way unemployment depresses
the prevailing wage. Would you have Obama perform a socialist intervention?

He's a failure because the bailouts were socialism for the rich?
You do know that both TARP and the Stimulus returned a profit, right?

" Gas has double since 2009."
You're not the only one buying gas, Ted - the refineries sell to the most profitable
markets open to them, including outside the USofA.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2012/01/25/rising-foreign-demand-keeps-us-gas-prices-high

What metric would you chose to apply?

Will you go on record saying that if the Obama administration increases employment - in any manner, that it's a success?

Think it over...

Try the LAW of supply and demand. Very nice law. It works EVERY TIME. Higher wages, more jobs than workers, wages go up. More fuel than customers, prices fall like a stone. Banks loan money for homes, make it easy for the banks to reclaim the property on default, and they will loan all day long. Works every time, clue in the democRATS and POTUS

Oh...that explains it. Those other 30 states are the 47%!

"RI is one of 20 states that pays more into the federal government than we get back."
Can you back that up?

I'm not clear on what your point is, in reference to the OP.
DO you have a point, MW?

Again, the full remarks:

OBAMA: The most important lesson I've learned is that you can't change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside. That's how I got elected, and that's how the big accomplishments like health care got done, was because we mobilized the American people to speak out. That's how we were able to cut taxes for middle-class families. So something that I'd really like to concentrate on in my second term is being in a much more constant conversation with the American people so that they can put pressure on Congress to help move some of these issues forward.

That sounds like the democratic process.
Are you opposed to citizens petitioning their leadership, MW?

You're either with us Americans or being used against us.
Which is it?

"You seem like a smart person so you must realize that while the president does not set gas prices he does influence them greatly."
How so?
Sharper minds than my own say you're wrong... http://science.time.com/2012/02/21/gasbag-why-no-president-can-bring-us-2-gasoline/

"His leadership or lack there of in foreign policy has made us look weak in the middle east." Tell that to the targets of drone strikes in Waziristan.

If you mean, we didn't jump in with both boots after this year's Embassy riots
and the killings at the Libyan consulate - what would you have him do?
Occupy another Arab country?

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/06/13/global-opinion-of-obama-slips-international-policies-faulted/

"His energy policy at home has been a disaster. Look at what he has done to the coal industry. Look at the solyndra disaster. Have you seen many Chevy volts made by government motors?"

You're all over the map, here - are you begging the question?
It's not obvious how you would measure success, where Obama is concerned.

You do understand the difference between a free market economy, socialist intervention and the blend we have in the USofA, don't you?

Thanks Naome....Good answer.
And I will add, that the Solyndra loan program was actually started in 2005 under President....you guessed it BUSH!

"The main culprit behind coal's current troubles is natural gas. Utility companies are increasingly ditching coal in favor of cheaper, cleaner natural gas, which has hit near record-low prices.

and this gem:
{The main culprit behind coal's current troubles is natural gas. Utility companies are increasingly ditching coal in favor of cheaper, cleaner natural gas, which has hit near record-low prices.
"There's no question, with gas prices as low as they are, companies want to reap the benefit," said Richard McMahon, vice president of finance and energy supply for Edison Electric Institute, which represents utilities.}
and
But the rules themselves are not Obama's doing. Most of them stem from the Clean Air Act, which was signed by Richard Nixon and strengthened during the first Bush presidency.

Naome, great article did you read it? The author goes on to explain how things like the keystone pipeline could affect prices. Thanks for making my point.

No I don't mean the latest embassy attacks. I mean his alienation of Israel. His "reset" with Russia. Israel will attack Iran before the end of the year and we will be in a huge mess when it happens. Obama said he didn't have time to meet with their PM but managed to find time to hang out with a pirate on pirates day and party with jay z and Beyonce. What kind of message does that send?

I noticed you and townie skipped the part about corporate reform when the democrats were in full control.

Obama has regulated coal into the ground. Some of the coal workers unions wouldn't even endorse him this year.

Ted,
I honestly believed Pres. Obama would address corporate reforms in his first term. I will admit that I was very disappointed. But, I also understand that any first term Pres. who takes on big business would never have a chance at a second term. Remember Citizens United? Why do you think so many corporations donate to Rommney? It's not because of his personal appeal. Do you think Rommney will rein them in?

Well, Ryan, Let me start by saying that no one who posts here really thinks we are going to sway the otherside. The right has gone to far right and the left to far left. That being said, I read just about any news source as long as it is not a political front site (Thinkprogress.org, Teamamericapac.org, etc.) To assume that I or others (even Joe Sousa) do differently is a little obnoxious. No one here forced you to read what we posted, and trying to act like our "editor" is sophomoric.

To answer your final question, Portsmouth offers a half semester college level economics course every year.

@OldTownie, My comments are not directed to you or anyone in particular (even Joe Souza)! My thoughts/opinion did come up right after your comment but was not directed to or in response to your comment. It is my opinion alone not a response. Thank you for your response to my question, I rarely get answers on here. Is that it…1/2 a semester? Your opinion; How can we as a state or country really understand the financial outcome/future of the past 30+ years (both sides) of financial irresponsibility if we are only teaching 1/2 a semester of economics?

Ryan,
My addition of Joe's name was more of a tongue in cheek swipe at the otherside.

As to your question, No simple first year economics course is going to even scratch the surface of our economic system or it's condition. Teaching students simple supply side economics would if anything confuse them even more. I would rather the schools teach them real world skills, like balancing a checkbook, or in some cases, counting in their heads rather than on a calculator or cell phone. A simple business math/practices course would be much more beneficial. Ask yourself this: How many 22-28 year olds even understand what a T-bill is? Or understand the concept of a default credit swap? They are far more interested in the new Iphone 5 and what Kim Kardashian had for dinner lastnight.

I heard yesterday action movies do well because of the economy of thought and right off thought of this thread.
If you can't think try watching,
He did another segment on unions. Try not to cry wile your money leaves your hand. The tax payers have a right to the best deal their money can bring.
2 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BduQxAugn4c

Despite what those on the right would tell you, using the available government programs to further yourself is more than acceptable, it's required. Many of my friends on the otherside like to point out what our greatest generation accomplished. What they fail to see is that many of them were afforded opportunities only through the use of the GI Bill after WW2 and Government backed house loans in the 40's and 50's.

It only becomes a problem when these government subsides, programs and help become a way of life. These issues are not the sole property of the poor. Many of our largest corporations pursue and receive tax breaks (corporate welfare) and subsidies. We need to return to the center, and I don't mean what the Tea Party calls center.

20 Years ago, my friends and family vilified me for being a "closet" Republican (A DINO). Now, my same beliefs are too liberal for the RNC. Does anyone remember Compassionate Republicans anymore? I don't want to give my money to career welfare mothers anymore than the rest of you, but, the alternative is far worse.

Who among you wants to be responsible for one poor child starving to death? Or one homeless vet freezing to death? If your one of the 53%, ask yourself this: Do you want that on your head? I, like many other Democrats, would welcome welfare reform. Just as long as it's tied to tax reform, an end to loopholes, and a sensible graduated tax rate. Oh, and an end to big oil and farming subsidies.

More important than advanced gender studies or even advanced math and science is the fundamental tenants of individualism and how to keep everyone free. The more everyone supports themselves the closer to a commonwealth they will have. When personal achievement and self advancement become the elevators of virtue then we truly passed on freedom to our children.
Government standards for school is never going to create a virtuous society. They will always move the goalpost for votes.
And here is another note.
What do you think a teacher would do with a child who marched into a classroom, plops down in the chair, crosses his or her arms and says "I'm against organized labor in the public sector"?
Public sector unions are evil and were never intended for the very reason they are harming the tax payers. For the same reasons you hate citizens united...

William Brank wrote:

>> What do you think a teacher would do with a child who marched into a
>> classroom, plops down in the chair, crosses his or her arms and says
>> "I'm against organized labor in the public sector"?

A good teacher, like any other responsible participant on this forum, would ask the childe "What are the reasons you are against organized labor in the public sector?"

And if the marching and plopping child responded, as you did.......

>> Public sector unions are evil and were never intended for the very reason they
>> are harming the tax payers. For the same reasons you hate citizens united...

.......That same good teacher would say, "While it's good that you have such a strong opinion, a polite young man or young lady avoids nasty hyperbole such as 'Public sector unions are evil' and only says things that he or she is ready to support with actual evidence or data. Now, until you can learn to be more diplomatic and responsible with your comments, or until you're ready to support them with evidence, please refrain from making them."

That's what a good teacher would do.

I AM NO FAN OF UNIONS, but even I have to ask, William, 1) Why it is that "Public sector unions are evil", and 2) Why do you say that they "were never intended"?

My other question would be, since you're from Greenwich or Ridgefield, CT, why are you up here in Rhode Island polluting our forums with your over-the-top, nasty, and completely unsupported hyperbole?

Ryanthegirl..I agree with you. However, you don't have to teach them how to manipulate the government to be beneficial to them. These morons that are in the executive branch will give you anything you want..deserved or not..go for it..it's the new "benefit of breathing free USA air"

Nard Glimrod,
Hate to brake it to you but you are just not on the same side as your liberal god FDR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xycy1aNZBzc

Whats more is we are having a public debate and on the field of battle what does it matter to you where I am from? I have to ask what the hell you are looking me up for? Are you a public sector thug? By all means I would like that rather than this. Getting through your thick liberal skull would be a wee bit easier that way.
What a dumb position, with all that is going on, median income accross the country has gone down close to $5k/year and the public sector wants pay increases of over 5% and they get pensions that are today unfunded. Whats worse is they wll collect those pensions and spend them wile living somewhere more affordable, likely in a more conservative area that does a better job protecting private property. That is till they all start voting as a group and it will be all over there too. See VT and soon to be NH...
Then there is you asking me to reply to dumb comments you post.
Please, show up at my door, it would be easier to reach the pit in your head.

>> Hate to brake it to you

So you have something to "brake" to me, do you, Mr. Dweller of The Nutmeg State? I have something I need to break to you: You didn't answer the questions:

1) Why do you say that "Public sector unions are evil", and

2) Why do you say that they "were never intended"?

As far as your kind invitation to show up at your door goes, I must say that I have this image of you sitting in your underwear in your stainless steel trailer in Greenwich, polishing your guns, and worshiping Elvis. (A whole lotta people misunderstood The King, I tell ya....)

C'mon, good friend from "The Land of Steady Habits", how 'bout answering the questions?

Not true.
In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn’t ready for conditional commitment.

and Ted, I think you mean that Richard Nixon and George Bush regulated the coal industry to death, right? The Clean Air Act was signed into law by Nixon and strengthened by Bush 41.

Ted,
If your comment about "personal responsibility" is in relation to the welfare state, then my only response can be a question. You would rather let children suffer, through the fault of their parents, rather than help them, yes?

On to coal. The ONLY thing President Obama has not done is eased the regulations put in place by two republican presidents. By the coal industry's own admission, the single thing that is hurting them the most is the price of gas. So, I will ask you, what does the President have to do with the price of gas? The short answer is nothing. Is he opposed to using coal? Yes. And I for one, knowing that the New England states have the highest rate of childhood asthma due to coal burning power plants in mid-west. It's a fact pal, look it up.

And finally, Bush and Bin Laden. President Bush admitted his administration had all but given up chasing Bin Laden. They did not think getting him would pay any bnenfit. they even floated the idea that OBL had "probably" been killed in a cave during one of the many carpet bombings. so can President Obama take credit for it? Yup. Did President Bush play a hand in it? Sure, I'd be happy to give some credit. And then you can hand at least have the credit for Solyndra to him as well.

Bernie Madoff is a democrat. Although people in his industry generally give to both political parties, the bulk of Madoff's political contributions went to democrats. Chances are he would be voting Obama...if he could. Nice try though.

I've had a lot of time to think things over pam,i've seen the error of my ways.

I am so glad Bernie, Now can you share it with Obama because he keeps trying to lighten our wallets;)

housewife,
Let's examine your rudimertary understanding of how our government works. Is President Obama the Commander in Chief? don't think to hard, the answer is Yes. Is he responsible for the US Armed forces? Again, Yes. Whose orders do you think the SeAL team was waiting for? So, Yes, President Obama did kill him. Any questions? Just like President Bush toppled Saddam Hussien.....remember? "Mission Accomplished!" ? Did President Truman drop the bombs? History seems to think so. By your rational, Hilter never did anything wrong!

should read "rudimentary"