Debra for once try turning off Fox News and deal with facts and not propaganda.

bless you debra

Debra, I could not agree more. This is a sad state, and country, we live in.

Debra - the contention that President Obama had information about the security situation in Bengazi "and ignored it" is patently false. Clearly you heard this on Fox news or right-wing talk radio. The truth very simply is that the president is far too busy to be attending to each and every detail of our country's security risks, which I can assure would compose a list so long that dangers in Bengazi would not be on his to-do list. A matter like that is more appropriately dealt with by, for example. the secretary of state or the director of the CIA. Furthermore, face the fact that if all you listen to is Fox news, you are not getting the whole story. Plus, they lie.

I mourn that this country has so many low info voters like you. House Republicans cut the budget for security at all embassies and consulates leaving all of our people w/o security.
As for the military, the results of the election show that they're in the President's camp. You're so dense, c'mon gimme another spin.....
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Bob I... Are you suggesting or advocating violence to solve our current problems. This country does not need people like you spreading this kind of hatred. If you want to fight ... head out to those countries ... any one of dozens who are in a conflict. Let us see what you think of fighting a few a few years of that. "Fighting" where would that put your ( our ) precious country then?

To Don Q (below ).... Hmmm, I've been glued to the TV now for weeks and have heard nothing of rioting if Romney won and further I have not heard of any death threats on Mitt's life or family.
You might try watching (and listening ) to a real news channel for a while instead of gluing your face to FOX. It sounds like you are preaching 'hell and damnation' to your congregation. You sound a bit ridiculous. Do you actually listen to what you are saying.

Then Pat, Deb and Bob don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out !!!!!

I feel so sorry for you folks who mourn this country. The American people reasoned things out well and came to a sound and substantial decision. They saw the mistakes, the half truths, bending of the truth by most of the Republican's slant on things. There were easily 7 to 8 reasons for rejecting that side of the isle. Now we (both sides) ( or all sides) should come to a reasonable understanding that we need to progress into a mutual understanding of just how to get this country routed on the right track. Some of the Republican views and ideas may have some merit. Let's hear them in a less partisan manner. Why should only side compromise. Is compromise not in your vocabulary?

Realistic "voter" - EVERYONE - notice what kind of person votes for Oblumbler!!!!! The US is down the tubes educationally and fiscally due to the prevalence of this type of "person" (QUOTE, UNQUOTE!) . We vow to change this!!!!!!!!!!!

Why, because we had a well-attended election without violence?

the violence has yet to begin.we are well on the way to becoming a third world nation.

Naome, unfortunately you display the mentality that got Obama reelected. It wasn't the Romney supporters who were threatining to riot in the streets if Romeny lost. It was the Obama supporters who threatened to riot and threatened Mitt Romney's life if Romney won. Those of us who love our country know in our hearts and minds that Obama is intentionally leading America down the path of destruction. Unfortunately, the illegals and the lazy outvoted those who believe in freedom and liberty.

The NWO is coming. Be prepared.

Obama's Secret service detail files (on average) 30 death threats daily, aimed at the President, his family and dog.

Where has your outrage been over this, the last four years - or is that a
2nd amedment solution? http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/people-on-twitter-who-are-thinking-about-killing-t

It's my opinion that every threat to riot is one less you need actually worry over.
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20121107/NEWS/311070044/Ole-Miss-students-protest-Obama-re-election-sparks-riot-rumors?nclick_check=1

Like I said - we had an election, no reports of voter intimidation or violence at
any of the polls, including our own Banana Republic of Florida.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-11-05/news/fl-florida-voting-mess-20121105_1_evelyn-perez-verdia-absentee-ballots-florida-vote

Try to bang the drum for insurrection somewhere else, DonQ - we're on it.
You'll find nowhere to hide in an open forum if you tout Fascist 'values'.

This was a clean election between candidates that had little difference in position, but a great deal of difference in their person.

One was born rich and white, the other wasn't.

naomi: he was born HALF WHITE and rich. death threat against the dog now that's a biggy. don q has got it right,the people can not be pushed much more

BOB I
Your referring to the President of the United States as a "Dog"?!? What is wrong with you?
He IS the rightfully elected leader of our country and if he's not YOUR President, the do us a favor: GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!

JLM:: can you not read! i was replying to the above comment.every one is entitled to their opinion,just because YOU do not agree they have the right to theirs. or have we lost that too by executive order.

Fox News lies. Try sampling other news source. Oh sure, you're thinking, why should I trust the "lame stream media." Fine. The why don't you check out the BBC or India Times? Or do you think that every all media outlets on the planet (minus Murdock) are part of some sort of (probably alien) plot to destroy apple pie and (your particular) religion?

Bob I,
I do believe you have the right to disagree with the President. Just as long as you remember, he is YOUR President.

Don Q... that might be the problem with America... Americans are just "loving their country" to death.

Bob I ... We've seen what the Florida Governor can contribute to this country. By suppressing the vote, he gave the world a view of heading his state and this country into third world status.

JLM yeah right. i don't need a lecture.from you rember respect is earned , NOT granted.

Naome -- don't shut me out, I'm neither right wing nor left wing,
and was no fan of president Bush...

Do you really think our current president receives more death threats than his predecessor?
Do you think there are more threats to flee the country or riot,
more paranoia about a New World Order or the government coming to "take you away" than there were eight years ago?

According to the Secret Service, the # of threats received by Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton are all about equal.

I remember, during President Bush' second inauguration, the cars sometimes SPEEDING UP to avoid what appeared to be snowballs and bits of rubbish being thrown at some of the vehicles here and there. Some people jeered and made rude gestures.
Won't you feel angry if someone does that to Obama? I know I will.
Throwing things, obscene gestures, are not a form of protest that is civil and respectful of our nation's highest office.
(the protest at that inauguration I respected came from a couple of very young men, teens or college-age, who waited in long lines and jumped through all the security hoops, to simply stand in a row with their backs to the procession in expression of their dissent. It was dignified and yet very striking! It was a protest by intelligent men.)

We should all be ashamed by the deterioration of our society, and not contribute to it. =(

Ah! Little Skunk - so good to hear from you again.

I do not think that this President is different than his predecessors, my exact point.
This President has been openly vilified in a concerted way that IS unprecedented.

It was considered unseemly, even unpatriotic to question the motives of Bush 43
while troops were in harm's way, and we complied. This courtesy has not
been extended to Obama. I fear the Ambassador and Libyan detail will not be the only casualties of Benghazi, it was probably Murdoch's Rubicon as well.

Do I think there is more hysteria? Yes. It's expressed in odd places, like town planning boards (UN Agenda 21) and funding public schools.

The shock expressed by a vocal minority that feels dispossessed and threatened
seems more like a scene from "Awakenings" where the formerly comatose view
as world that tilted as they slept, they only find comfort in fairytales on Fox.

Here's the trouble - I don't think Fox programmers believe a word of what they're
selling, it's a purely cynical marketing ploy that has brought this country to a halt.

Don Q & his reply to Naomi... the mentality displayed by you isn't all that great either.

Joe lied. Did anyone die?

Well, Joe, at least fifty percent will be up to the Republicans in The House. Will they put the country first, or will they continue the partisan nonsense for four more years?

So far, only 2 more years of gridlock...Dems could take the House back at the mid-terms. Cooperation is the name of the game now.

GOOD RIDDANCE TO JOE SOUSA, LORD NELSON, PRINCE ROBBIE, AND KATZHOLE!

National Debt ? Who got us into a war that was nonsense which ultimately innocent people suffered the consequences as fighting terrorism is like fighting a ghost ?
Mr. Bush was handed a country by Mr. Clinton that had a surplus in its budget. Mr. Bush handed a country already in debt to Mr. Obama. Read your news or play to ignore the truth.

Brian, Libia. Maybe the child pres should have used his ships with planes in them to protect the embassy instead of going to bed.

How much do you need maybe we can start a fund for you to leave the greatest country on earth, we do not need your negativity in this country. So get over it or move out

I wish you would leave the country too.

LOL Maxin

For those of you that mourn the Republican loss - don't forget how we got into this mess in the first place. 8 years of Republican rule with the Bush administration! Clinton left us with a balanced budget. Obama could not possibly right all the wrong in four years. Les C

Please don't let us stop you!!

We were the last free country on earth. Unless Texas secedes, there is nowhere for us to go...

Yvette, sweetheart, please don't leave the country. I want you to stay - so we can rub your nose in it every day. Good riddance Jon Brien, welcome back President Obama, and David Cicilline, Sheldon Whitehouse, Jim Langivin,…

That's what I love about liberals...they are such miserable winners....David...you are also extremely condescending to women. I thought that was a sin for a liberal.

I'm sure if you ask the right people, Yvette, they'll pay your way back to France...but, only if you give G.H.

No Katherine, I'm not condesending to women; just to Yvette in this instance because it gets her goat. She's been so outspoken and nasty in her comments regarding Obama, and others that I'm almost gleeful that she has to live with this. Sorry, but as a liberal I've had to endure a lot of crud from right-wingers, I'm sure it won't stop, but for the moment I'm enjoying your misery.

Katherine... below... look who's talking....what's the saying... 'If the shoe fits..."

Les Costa - WRONG! the congress was DEM part of those years, when the budget went up......... under Bush - we also had 9/11 which should have woken us up to the Moslem Hatred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will donate to that fund but we will pick the country for her to go.

I imagine a lot of the liberals who want to savour their schadenfreude,
who want to "rub Yvettes nose in it"
were weeping and mourning eight years ago when President Bush got re-elected, and half-joking about moving to Canada.

I know I was very worried back then, really crushed.
So I feel for people like Yvette, no matter who rude they were during the run-up to the election,
because I recognize myself in them.
We're all human beings.

Try not to get too stressed out, Yvette.
Be well, ok?

Nothing will get done in the next two years..... except war.
We're doomed.

what has he done besides getting the economy bac from the brink. Romney was told by AMERICA take your radical agenda and stick it. 4 MORE YEARS :)

He was just stating that he getting to the end of cleaning up Bushes mess,

Kathy,
As I stated to Joe Sousa in a post here: you are either not remembering when the country started to go into a deep debt and why or are playing "you do not know".
Mr. Clinton handed a country with a surplus of billions in its budget and Mr. Bush handed a country in deep debt as a result of going into a war that he and only he created. Watch FARENHEIT the documental, that will chill you up unless you have already watched it. Shameful for anyone not to admit the financial and economical interests both Bush and Cheney had about going into war with Afghanistan. If you are a true republican then you know the facts.

ok, katherine, so you love liberals? how often do you exhibit such emotion?

National Debt ? Who got us into a war that was nonsense which ultimately innocent people suffered the consequences as fighting terrorism is like fighting a ghost ?
Mr. Bush was handed a country by Mr. Clinton that had a surplus in its budget. Mr. Bush handed a country already in debt to Mr. Obama. Read your news or play to ignore the truth.

Pat, why doncha just roll over 'n' die with all this doomsday stuff. It's defeatist, negative & foolish. Just what are you going to do to make this country better. Quitcher bellyaching.

As the President stayed on Twitter: "This happened because of you. Thank you."

Are you off your meds?
2000 Bush - Gore pop vote difference -(543,816)
2004 Bush - Kerry +3,012,171
2012 Obama- Romney +2,627,077

A lot of us said the same thing, in 2004.

Do you suffer from Fox Geezer syndrome?
There's no cure, but the treatment is painless... step away from the TV.

denny you got that right, well i guess we will find out what really happened in libya, and with a with a single salute it's off on vacation.

thank you gary, but the "have nots" have spoken.looks like obamacare and obama phone scam worked.

Can someone please explain to me how people who do not work, do not pay federal, state or property taxes are allowed to vote on bond referendums which will ultimately cost the tax payers money? Doesn't make any sense to me. The people who live their lives with their hands out vote for the tax payers to pay more so they can continue to receive their handouts. How is this constitutional?

Bliss,

B Franklin said it best: Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
― Alexis de Tocqueville Democracy in America 1835

The pensioners ARE the ME generation, BOB I. They suck more taxes from the hardworking class than any other group. Bloated pensions after woefully short careers, Union reps strong-arming local govs into paying these retirees for nothing, sucking dry those who actually work for a living.

To Ignorance Is Not Bliss. Apparently it is! Otherwise you might realize that the right to vote in the constitution is based on status as a citizen. It has nothing to do with how much money you make or how much taxes you pay. That's why it's constitutional, Mr. Ignorance. Or should we all write a check each time we go to the polls? For that matter, should those who pay more in taxes get extra votes? I'm sure this town would approve of a measure like that, with its bloat and wealth and greed. Yes, I can see it now: only the wealthy should be able to vote. Didn't we try that already at one point in history? Ignorance is not bliss, indeed.

Anon,

Just to set the record straight, the pensions that were cancelled were the teachers / state workers pensions, not the municipal pensions (the municipal "suck more taxes" kind you mention).

I spent as much time reviewing this problem as did Ms. Raimondo when I worked as John Robitaille's pension advisor. There were no "greedy" teachers or state workers when it came to their pension plan given the level of their own required contributions over the past two decades.

It was totally different math in the state system vs the municipal systems, and there were better solutions to fix this problem.

We will discover that when Judge Taft-Carter makes her decision on the matter.

Sorry to digress from the topic.

copy and paste all this and when your are ready to complain about your oblarma go back and read yor comments .

There you go again taxedtodeath... showing your ignorance by name calling. Get over it or drop into a hole somewhere.

Did it change when President Bush was in charge ? Or let me refresh! We handed a country that was in deep debt to Mr. Barack Obama because of deciding to fight a war in terrorism. What terrorism ? All he did was to very discreetly place the surplus the country had in its budget by the end of Mr. Clinton presidency into his and Mr. Cheney's pocket. Watch FARENHEIT !

Hoo-Raa! Too bad the conservatives will label any increase in minimum wage as a socialist measure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg

Self reliance and personal responsibility are conspicuously missing from your rant. Higher wages are always connected to performance. Maybe you are just mediocre.

Higher wages are always connected to performance? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I know a lot of working poor who probably perform twice as many hours of work as you, and certainly outperform you at least on personal charm, Mr. 2therightinri.

That would not have been achieved by the corporate lovers like Mr. Romney. Barack Obama can do that wasn't for the constant opposition of the Republican dominated House of Representative. Win votes for the next election by doing the right thing for the country instead of placing roadblocks to make a president look like he is not capable when we all know it takes teamwork. History has proved that the Democratic party has always been on the side of fair wages, healthcare for all. Republican on the other side are to make the rich get richer and the poor become poorer , no middle term. I now reside in Florida for about three years after having resided in RI for almost 20 and can attest the difference between a democratic majority governed state and a republican majority governed state. In the North unions work most times. In the southern states, specially Florida they do not exist. Private companies get to do what they want. It is called the right to work state. Google it and find out why ?

Olga...don't you know that you are not allowed to post here if you don't live in Rhode Island?

the Dunkin Donuts ran out of pumpkin coffee..oh the humanity..running around looking for the Jonestown Kool Aid now

In your face "leave RI"!

Maybe you'll do the state and the country a favor and move your no good right wing backside to Antarctica!

yes...nice jack b..paint your nails and put on one of your cocktail dresses..it's lunch and kool aid on me in Antarctica..

And don't forget to give your wife her daily backhand, you pathetic loser.

Four more years of women's rights-OH YA!!!

b kcaj.... ya don't beat around the bush about hating women do ya?

It was a decent effort, with little to distinguish the two campaigns on substantive issues, all the shouting from the sidelines has precious little to do with what's on the field.

I think the large Hispanic turnout - although traditionally conservative - for Obama
should really worry the GOP. This rapidly growing segment of the US population will continue to be active on the National stage.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/usa-campaign-latinos-idUSL1E8M6HNQ20121107

I still don't think there's a dimes worth of difference between Romney and Obama,
it comes down to which backers get the most access.

If Obama comes makes good on propping up the Bill of Rights (end the Patriot act)
and stands against the three 'T's of foreign policy disasters;

Torture/Treachery/Tyranny

I'll consider the terms well spent.

If the Congress can act on campaign spending reform, overturn Citizen's united and rein in propaganda as news (give the FCC back their attack dogs), then
we'll see meaningful change.

Then again, I might just as well wish for a pony that can take the trash out, too.

and b kcaj? Calling someone a wife-beater is pretty low, even for Rhode Island.

she does

Endless drivel from retired cranks here we... oh yeah, you never stopped.
It's the party of bad ideas versus the party of no ideas.

Here's a solution to our revenue problem - every online comment section charges a 2 cent tax to put in your "Two Cents" with an overage fee for quoting directly
from conspiracy sites without attribution.

Good God. What a tool. Socialism? In what way, Mr. Good Year? Are you talking about Obamacare? About graduated taxes? What, exactly, is Socialist? I'd love to tear up your argument - let's take a look at a purely capitalistic economy next to one that has both capitalistic and socialistic programs, like ours does.

Food for thought...

Obama-

First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc) First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case

Food for thought...

Obama-

First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer

First President to drive the retired cranks batshit crazy.

Here it comes - the endless pout from the Tea Party.
Why don't you lot take a good look in the mirror, you're dead weight around the neck of a drowning Nation. Go buy an RV, take a drive - volunteer at a school -
conservatives are always banging on about volunteers - do something useful.

Meh.

Spare us the chain email reprints, Genius.

http://www.politifact.com/obama32monthemail/

right on pat

Wow someone needs to turn off Fox and Rush. At any rate I'm thrilled his re-election sucks for you. Gloating.

Pat,
You forgot one. First Democratic President to inspire more lying chain-emails than ever before in history.

Pat, TRUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Naome, you're delusional - what is happening to the average person here - they are nasty, hateful and not too bright!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, my Pat. You sound jealous

Pat... hope you didn't stay up all nite trying to think of these proclaimations. (sp)... 75 - 80 % of them apply to that d*** head from 2004. just sayin'

English first..here it is..a very profound public speaker who is a Barry follower and makes the same sense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQc6oBCuDXk

Not this crowd.

It's "all or nothing" with these people, and they wonder why their elected representatives won't hammer out legislation...where are their pitchforks and torches?

naomi:: tractor supply is opening on the 10th, i'll bet they will have plenty of pitchforks.also manure forks will work in a pinch

hehehhehe ... like

Didn't Caitlin Upton get used the same way to diss McCain?

They're both adorable, in very different ways.
Like I said before, the parallels between Presidential politics and beauty contests...

She should get a nickel for every time somebody uses her to insult stupid people.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/miss-teen-usa-south-carolina

Thank you Mutato, The President isn't the one who put us in this position, it's Congress's inability to act in our best interest, who are preventing us from healing from the corporate greed and entitlement attitudes of the general population. Do you really think either candidate was going to get anything accomplished. My day today was going to be the same no matter who got in last night. That is the sad reality.

Hahahaha. Yeah, sure, sure it's pronounced "Bay-ner." Hopefully that sniveling weasel will take a clue that the Republican Party isn't going to survive much longer on a platform tailored for white, male CEOs and retirees. This election brought with it a BIG message: that the tea party's ultra-conservative, no-compromise posture will result in a Republican party that can't contend. I guess we'll see if "Boehner" takes the hint.

Robin, actually, it isn't congress' inability to act, it's congress's deliberate refusal to negotiate and compromise with ANYTHING that came out of the executive branch. Their agenda was laid out four years ago by Mitch McConnell - do nothing except to ensure that President Obama is a one term president. The Republicans managed to obstruct and deny, but they failed at the one thing they set out to do. And all these nasty comments by the right-wingers are evidence that they truly expected that this President would be gone. But he's not and I LOVE IT!

The American Enterprise Institute has been around since 1943.
It is a genuinely conservative organization. One of it's lead policy wonks,
Norm Ornstein recently penned "It's even worse than it looks" that the intransigence of the Republican party has seriously undermined the Nation.

If the AEI thinks you're a disgrace, things are genuinely bad in Congress.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-enterprise-institute

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html

I miss Wm. F. Buckley - he would kick Karl Rove and Roger Ailes to the curb.

Oh, I like that too

John, the democratic party has shown time and time again that they are the party of anger and hatred. They hate anyone who has more than they do. Thanks to the Obama entitlement mentality, they believe that if you have more than them (even if you worked hard to get what you have) they are entitled to a portion of what you have. The democrat anger was very prominent at the opening of their convention when there was a huge chorus of boos when it was decided to include "God" in their platform. Just think, if they are this angry when they won, what would they have been like if they had lost. I shudder to think about it.

John & Don Q.... did it take you all night to think of that one? Who's angry because they lost???? Don't say a word.... I already know that one.

Donh Q. (below) For your information, that booing was not because of the word "God" ... it was most likely the fact that both the yays and the nays appeared to be equal in the vote and that the vote had to be conducted more than once and yet still was a tie. Most would agree on that. Oh yeah, but your not most reasonable people are you.

Democrats WON everything..So WHY are thay SO ANGRY this morning..??

We're angry? Did you read Pat's posts? Did you listen to WPRO yesterday?

We won't get anywhere until we find some commen ground and it sure hell isn't on boards like this.

Also I love the fact that the riches people in the country tried to buy the election spent all that money and still lost. That I say is the best part you can’t buy the presidency anymore.

Ronald Reagan was far too moderate for today's Republican party. At best he would be considered a left to far left Republican. Moderates and centrists are an endangered species.

Maxin... another good one.

Uhmmmm ok. Except middle-class tax rates are lower now then in 2008. But don't let facts get in the way of your "Truth".

J. Lane McMahon clearly accepts that magic accounting isn't the same as actual numbers. There is no possible way to balance the budget on tax increases for the "rich" unless the government prints about 30% more dollars. Obama's stated plan has us running a deficit until 2040 (the furthest projected time) where it will only be $300 billion per year. One thing is for certain, either taxes go up or inflation goes up. There isn't a third option aside from technological revolution which leads to an actual productivity increase. What are the odds of a second industrial revolution happening any time soon?

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/obama-deficit-plan-president-embraces-specifics-070538723.html

You don't know anything about President Obama's plan. Try again. Please show me proof that the President said "running a deficit until 2040 (the furthest projected time) where it will only be $300 billion per year" And for the love of God, don't let it be a Fox source.
For 40 years this country has played with "trickle down" economics. Not once has it worked.

Ok. Here's one that projects deficits through 2022:
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43539

Hey, if the campaigning were to have gone another month either Romney would have voted for Obama or Obama would have voted for Romney.

Hoo-Raa!

right on. at the end of the next four years,when all else fails it will be "BUSHES FAULT"

We always hear this drivel, as if it were self-explanatory.

In the interest of curiousity, can you elaborate?
Maybe I need the proper headgear to hear this stuff, but WTH...

like. :)

It was in last night's election. Well - that is if you believe in a charitable, Christian god. Ryan/Romney's ultra-conservative budgetary agenda would have left nothing for those who are struggling to buy food, to heat their apartments, to find jobs, to pay for health care, to afford to go to college.

I'm sure it is, ""How frail is humanity! How short is life, how full of trouble!"

Doctors do not determine healthcare now. Insurance companies do.

I know. Their death panels and denial of coverage killed my father from colon cancer.

"With the re-election of this President, you will see major changes in the healthcare system going forward.- your government will determine your healthcare, not your doctor!" Big talk. Have you read the AHCA? Do you work in medicine?

Wait - you're chiming in here, during working hours. Retired, right.

Give it a rest, Gramps.

The problem is that the people that you say "want to turn things around" seem to always do so to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class... We've already seen how Republicans dismantle a working economy, pick through the wreckage to remove anything of value to enrich themselves and their Corporate buddies (can you say Almond, or, Carcieri)? When they're done, they leave the chaff for the people of the state.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." You mean Medicare? Or do you mean the social security checks in excess of your contributions?

It's only socialism when somebody else cashes the check.
http://www.economist.com/node/21563725

and you don't think there was a reason for it?

I couldn't have said that better, myself.

Amen!!!

Unfortunately, it isn't an issue of maturity; only one party is attempting to carry out the will of the people. The other party has vowed to shrink government to a size where, in the words of unelected lobbyist Grover Nordquist, it can be drowned in a bathtub.... Perhaps you should take up your issue with Nordquist...

DAM the Deficits: "Full Speed Ahead." YUP ....Where's my BamaFone..?

You do remember Dick Cheney, don't you?

You do remember what happened in 2009?
You want Obama to be Hoover, or FDR?

http://jacksonville.com/forums/politics-forum/2011-01-04/reagan-proved-deficits-dont-matter-dick-cheney

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/10/11/to-avoid-fiscal-cliff-let-bush-tax-cuts-expire

http://www.museum.siu.edu/old/museum_classroom_grant/Museum_Explorers/school_pages/bourbonnais/page2.htm

I'd settle for Obama being even remotely capable as the President. Aside from that, I would like it if he stopped pushing agendas which bankrupt the country. Aside from that, it would be nice if fulfilled his primary purpose, as written in the Constitution, specifically, executing the laws as written.

' Aside from that, it would be nice if fulfilled his primary purpose, as written in the Constitution, specifically, executing the laws as written.'

Let me get this straight, Bill - Obama was the senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law school, in what exactly? Constitutional Law.

He did so from 1992 to 2004. Did you attend school that long, Bill?

So you, a daylight hours blogger in the great state of Rhode Island know more that someone with a Harvard Law degree, where did you (and your Tea Party pals)
send your box tops for a diploma?

It's long past time for you cranks to be called what you are - clueless.

It's as if your passing familiarity with the founding father's faces on pocket change
somehow makes you more expert than the people that ACTUALLY KNOW LAW
that has made you a laughingstock. Face it, Obama is the real deal.

You? Just another 'coulda-woulda-shoulda' crank that 'never got his shot'.

It's envy, and it's beneath contempt.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Naomi: As to the "content" of your personal attack, first, the Constitution was specifically written to be read and understood by the common man. Evidence from the common (for the time) language, the jury of peers, the founding father's writings, etc. The fact that you believe that you aren't as intelligent as a late 1700s farmer does not apply to me. Further, I shall provide you with some basic understanding of the structure of the Government. There are 3 branches. In simple terms, the legislature creates and modifies laws; the judicial branch hears crimes (violation of laws) and provides judicial review; and the executive branch which (as the name implies) executes the laws. It is not the legal right of the head of the executive branch to decide which laws to follow and which laws to ignore. I know you are a fan of beating people over the head demanding sources, so here it is in plain text: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

As to the rest of your post, I am not any of the things you say in your ad hominem attack comment. I am not a daylight blogger, a crank, a tea party member, clueless, envious, or anything else stated or implied by your personal attack. You are a blatant internet troll and the world (and this site) would be better off if you just went away.

Uh huh. Market fluctuations are normal after elections - how do you explain its record highs during his presidency? Since 2008 my 401K has skyrocketed - and thanks for asking!

My 401k was gutted during the previous administration, and has not recovered.

Who let the wolves into the hen house? It wasn't on Obama's watch.

Well take a look at where your 401k was before Obama... The Markets Love obama the rich are only getting richer off Obama.

I suppose all of this will get paid from the Obama stash? Or maybe the money for this grows wild in Rhode Island?

Well said, Rose.

Where will the money come from, Katherine? A lot of it will come when the Bush tax cuts, which were always meant to be temporary, finally expire. More will come when we curb military spending which even the military agrees should happen.

You do know what this refers to, don't you?

How many innocents died in Jonestown? You're dancing on their graves, BOB I.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-12/us/jonestown.factsheet_1_jonestown-airport-ambush-leo-ryan?_s=PM:US

There's a great deal of propaganda in play - little of it originates on the Left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzb7CW9KwhM&feature=related

Right on, Steven!

Why would the bloviators weigh in on things that they can actually change?

They're not interested in solutions, or workable problems, let alone work.
They want to whinge and complain about the way things "Used to Be".

When both sides of the aisle consider the untenable outlays for their constituents and open tax evasion of their financiers, things will change.

I also anticipate we will soon discover a giant purple monkey orbiting the dark side of the Moon that controls our weather has been on vacation since March, 2002.

Very true Steven. Agree totally for first time with anything anyone has written here. Yours!

If you really think that, Steven, then your thought process is worse than upside down, it's anal.
The character of the person who is elected President does impact on your personal life, and on the lives of your family. In the recent election, one candidate had a tested record in dealing with National Security, Economy, Health and welfare, worker's rights, etc, whereas the the other had a record of being a vulture capitalist who destroyed functioning businesses, after stuffing his pockets with their financial assets, firing their workers, and shipping their jobs to China...
We do not have a spending problem. The problem we have is that the rich refuse to fulfill their responsibilty as members of this society, and pay their fair share of taxes. Instead they look for every means possible to evade taxes, by hiding their wealth in offshore accounts in the Cayman islands, and Swiss banks.

Oh Dan, I wish you could leave an opinion that added value instead of insulted. While I understand your enthusiasm your guy won, I don't understand the ignorance or perception of the other guy, aside from the normal political group-think that takes place at this time of year. Personally, I'd love to talk shop with all candidates on a variety of topics. My point is on day-to-day living. The President plays a major role in our country, but he is not a dictator. We have layers that protect us from such. Local governments are in charge of zoning laws, property taxes, police, fire, etc...These are on the front lines of my day to day life and as such are more important to me. Compare that to the presidency. He's supposed to be a leader, not an all-powerful figure. More power is bestowed upon Congress than the President. And in our society power is shared between federal, state, and local government.
As for your thoughts on the spending, I disagree. We spend too much. Do you have a budget at home? Well, Congress hasn't had one in 3 years. Want some spending examples? $100 million for political party conventions; 2 million for an internship program that hired just 1, yes ONE, intern; 2.6 million to teach chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly "on the job"; 146 mil for fed employees to upgrade to business/first class...and there's more (robo-squirrel?). As for fair share of taxes, well, two things that would help..eliminate deductions and exemptions; make more people rich.

I'm with Steven on this; we have a stable republic precisely because of orderly
succession. Far more important than the public figure out front is the policy crew that never appears in the photos... they're writing legislation and choosing judges.

Remember Dick Cheney?

Welcome back Jim L hopefully the T1 Council members that you insulted for the entire election period and lied about on line will be big people who will still be able to work with you. What happened to all your other screen names.

Joe,
You do know that there is a trend (over a year old now) of companies bring the jobs back to the US, right?

Don't confuse Joe.

He's in a fragile state, right now.
I believe he has a sore noggin from boarding up his bunker without a hammer.

Or from that butt whooping he took in the Tiverton town council election.

I think Joe could have run a better campaign, by staying off the computer.

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. Mark Twain

Let them leave but make sure you throw the hole corporation out they are unamerican anyhow. There a real Americans that will open their buisnesses. No more shipping jobs ship the company too.

Good point Joe, maybe the Senate headed by Harry Reid should pass a budget that is sent to him from Boehner and his fellow House Of Reps. Reed has blocked the budget for the last 3 years and returned it to the House.

First off Lee, Joe didn't write that, he cut and pasted

Secondly, how does the House expect the Senate to pass a budget with no input? Remember, if the Senate changes anything it would have to go back to the House. Also, a budget cannot be "Deemed and passed"

Hi Joe:
Please cite the source of this information if it is not yours.
Thanks.
[Joe Hutnak, Editor, JohnstonPatch]

Well "J" the house sent it up numerous times, three years speaks for it's self. You know as well as I do that it is a tactic so Reid and Obama can say congress is not doing anything (do nothing, bla,bla, bla) in preperation for the house election 2 years from now and the seaquestion that Obama is not going to vetio.

right on lee

Gee, thanks for quoting Fox for us Joe.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/11/07/sell-off-puts-sp-on-track-for-biggest-drop-since-june/

Do you have an original idea, or are you just confirming your bias?

Lee,
You have no idea how the US bugdet process works, just admit it now.

Then you obviously did not read the report from the CRS about "trickle down" versus tax increases.

I predict a spike in can opener futures, Glenn Beck tupperware "Beckerware"
and build-it-yersef bunkers. Too bad the future is for those that can read ahead
and keep time, when the times they are a-changin.

I wonder how much the dinosaurs thrashed around, at the end of their line...

Agreed, but can we please have one more day of rubbing it in? Please????

Yeah sure Joe, you just happened to be hanging out with corporate big wigs and over heard that. No wonder you did't get elected, you have no truth.

Joe, corporations are not owned by a single person.

"In 2014 i will be paying taxes on my health care as if it is income."

Beg pardon? http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb111/hb111-14.pdf

"I heard several owners of corporations around the country talking today about their expansions over seas to avoid the health car tax." Joe you are not that important!! Please get over yourself!!!

Joe, that report says NOTHING about the jobs that have been coming back, your mixing apples and oranges. Try reading the real report, not the Fox news condensed version. http://www.epi.org/publication/bp345-china-growing-trade-deficit-cost/

It's clear that Joe hasn't taken a moment to reflect on why he wasn't elected despite his wealth of "knowledge."

You are entitled to your opinion. and I am entitled to point out your falsehood.

The deficit is the lowest it's been in years.

Are you serious J. Lane McMahon??? How many years 3 or 4? So a deficit in the range of $1 trillion dollars is a good thing because it's not $1.3 trillion dollars? Please elaborate on your brilliant, enlightened opinion.

Bill,
If you don't understand ther difference between overspending by 1T and 1.3T, then I can't help you. At what point did I ever say deficit spending was a good thing? Oh yeah, never. you seem to be of the opinion that our current President is responsible for the deficit and debt, all on his own. Well ok. Keep thinking that. I fear no amount of facts or numbers will sway you from your myopic position.

"The defsicit is the lowest it's been in years." That is where you said it was a good thing. Do you really want to suggest that the difference between slightly less than 30% and slightly more than 30% is significant? I suppose now is the time that you further bury the issue and say all the Obama spending was only a slight increase over Bush, plus it was all his fault, right? As to who is responsible, yes, in this case, the Pres is entirely responsible. His lack of leadership and hell-bent mission to win universal health insurance cause his super majority to ignore one of their primary duties (passing a budget). His indifference to more than 50% of the voters lost him his supermajority. Further lack of leadership and inciteful, divisive politics have resulted in a contrarian legislature, ensuring that it will ben another 4 years without a budget..

Tell me Bill,
How does a Democrat President lead a Republican house?
Secondly, do you know anything about the Federal budget process? Do you know where the budget comes from? Or who writes it?

Bill,
Trying to predict my arguement in advance is not the best course of action.
Is deficit spending good? Despite what Dick Cheney said, the answer is no.
that being said, Is a 30% reduction in deficit spending a good thing? Yes, it means were getting closer to a balanced budget. Do you think Clinton just suddenly stopped all deficit spending? No, he worked it down over several years, with a bi-partisian effort from Congress. Has there been any chance in the last four years for such a compromise? No.

As to his first two years and the budget, the President does not write the budget. He can only sign it into law or ignore veto it. The 6 or 7 budgets that were presented to him by both Dems and Reps. were unacceptable. The Democrats wanted more spending which he was unwilling to do, and the Reps wanted 20-40 % cuts that would have crippled the Federal government and possible made the resession worse.
Try reading a US budget, or a Spending authorization bill some time, you'll learn a lot. Oh, and where did all that deficit spending go? Bush era tax cuts, bailouts, stimulus, and war spending. Hope you learned something. See that? I didn't blame Bush once.

You can't be only for YOUR freedom.
So, spare us the Libertarian theology.

Good Year to buy the RV and get lost.

Um... most of these cranks are talking about LEAVING the USofA.

Too bad the version of America you 'remember' was printed by Currier and Ives.
(You know, the one where the only blacks depicted were jockeys?)

@Naome
I WANT MY 2 CENT CHECK BACK..YOU SAID PHIL STEEN WAS THE MAN..I HAD TO WRITE IN!!! WHAT THE HECK?

He would have done better, had he left the banjo at home.

Unfortunately he showed up at the last rally with a back up band that included an accordion, bag pipe and slap flute - the resulting riot left an indelible mark on his
well-intentioned candidacy. The revelation that he is an elder in the Church of Bob
(scientist) didn't sit well with his base, either.

http://www.thechurchofbob.com/

housewife not to worry the man and nappy said every thing is just fine along our southern border. it seem they are worried about our northern border.

Nicely said.

William,
According to your messiah, Mitt, those people only make up 47%....where'd the other 4% come from?

I am not welfare dependent, in a union, or illegal. And neither is anyone else I am friends with who voted for Obama. Your party of exclusion is exactly why you lost. But double down on that...lets see how it works for you next time.

exactly right bimbels. exactly right. If they had included everyone and pressed for fiscal responsibility they may have had a shot. All I ask is for everyone elected to finally do their job.

Serfdom?

Dark Path? Where do you get your material Willy, HBO?
http://www.hypable.com/2012/06/05/game-of-thrones-season-two-quotes/

right on william, the man can finish his obsession of making this country a third world nation.

What do you can someone who wants a budget to be adhered to without putting us in the crap-house yet is more liberal on social issues than most Dems? Also, is there any unbiased news show out there? I can't find one.

Steven,
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal is generally regarded as a Centrist. Both parties have them, Clinton, was one. But the Democratic party has moved left since he was in office, just as the Rep. have moved right.

Shripathi:

Well, gee, if you narrow your focus that way (i.e., cut off the data at 1988), you can make some sort of idiotic point, I guess. Here is another look using the same data but with a different cutoff point:

Number of presidential elections since 1964: 12
Number of times the GOP candidate has won the popular vote: 6.

Does that prove anything? No.

Which, coincidentally, is is exactly what your point proves. Oh, and there's this:

-> Number of times the winner of the popular vote has lost the election since 1996: One

-> Number of times the winner of the popular vote has lost the elections in the history of the US: Four

-> Number of times this FACT is referenced by bozos still disgruntled by the outcome of the 2000 election: SELDOM, IF EVER.

FACT: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee in 2000, he would have been elected president.

OPINION: If a DEMOCRAT had not designed a confusing butterfly ballot in West Palm Beach, Florida that caused 3,000 elderly Jewish citizens to vote for a far-right Christian candidate, Al Gore would have won the election.

OPINION: If a REPUBLICAN had designed that same confusing butterfly ballot, we would still be hearing people like Shripathi wailing about it.

OBSERVATION AND RECOMMENDATION: If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. Get over it, Shripathi.

(Voting statistics taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin).

Average hourly earnings haven't grown in the past 50 years, yet America's wealthiest saw their accruals grow by skimming off the $2683 average income growth - which was not paid out to staff.
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4e9a0fb86bb3f7754b000000-900/and-then-look-at-what-happened-in-the-decade-through-2008-the-top-10-captured-all-of-the-income-gains-in-the-country-and-the-incomes-of-the-bottom-90-shrank.jpg

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-pays-taxes-2012-8?op=1

Lynn:

Quoted from above:

>> Naome, you're delusional - what is happening to the average person here - they
>> are nasty, hateful and not too bright!!!!!!!!!!

Those lines weren't exactly quoted from a Hallmark "I'm glad you're my friend!" greeting card.

People who post here aren't civil sometimes. If you were being fair about it, you would acknowledge that the problem exists on both sides of the aisle.

>> You make fools out of yourselves...typical liberal Dem

<sigh> But I suspect you're not willing to be fair about it...

Lynn, you are so right. Everyone sometimes posts things that are angry, but the left is so consistent. Every post is angry and condescending. Glad I'm not a liberal. They are miserably unhappy even when they win.

katherine and lynn,
You complain about the left being rude, calling names, aggressive..
Where have you been for the last 4 years?
The right has questioned the Presidents birth certificate, his religion, his political leanings, called him the "monkey-in-chief", socialist/communist, said he will destroy America, and so on, and so on....
Think back to YOUR republican leadership (Mitch McConnell) saying the most important job was to make Obama a one term president. How about the campaign shirts that said "Let's put the white back in Whitehouse", does that seem all cuddley and friendly to you?
You supported a man that took 100's of millions of dollars from billionaires, who were only looking out for their own interests. You lost. Get over it.

We've been too nice to the paste eaters, for too long.

The gloves are off. You deserve no better than you serve up. If you insist on regurgitating the Pink Slime spoonfed you by Rush, Beck or any other huckster
you'll be pulled up short and your motives questioned.

This sort of mindless acceptance of Snake Oil as medicine is nothing less than
Fascism disguised as Patriotism and deserves an autopsy under clear light.

We've had enough of the endless distractions and we want our Country back.

If you post in an open forum, and denigrate the motives of this administration without any factual basis for you slurs, you deserve scorn.

Come on back for more, any time you like.

@katherine

katherine
9:26 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
I am not disappointed. I don't care what happens in Rhode Island. You keep electing the same people. How is it going over there?

The neighborhood kids kicked you out of the sandbox, again?

katherine
10:06 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
You are just mad because I was smart enough to get the heck out of there. In a deep red state with a very low unemployment rate. Paradise:)

Arizona must be nice, this time of year - sales on Jean Nate and walkers!

katherine
12:13 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I'm not wasting anyone's time. I only comment on national things. I do still live in this country and I have a right to voice my opinion.

And we have every right to point out that you voted with your feet. Get lost.

city slicker
11:38 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Katherine, if you don't care what happens in Rhody, why post anything? I don't care what color state you are in but you are wasting everyone's time.

I couldn't have said it better, myself.

Naome...you have so little imagination. I am no where near Arizona. That's where all the old people go. Either there or Florida. No, I am in a much more interesting place. Yes, I voted with my feet which I have every right to do. I won't stay in a place where everyone does the same thing over and over and expects different results. As you may know, that is the definition of insanity.

Unimaginative, maybe.

Relevant, perhaps. Local - definitely.
Up here, people still consider "Yankee" a compliment.

Not there either naome.

I hear ya!

you got that right

Me too, Shirlee!!

Well said, Payin4You!!!

We won, get over it. Now the country will move towards bi-partisanship so that WE, as a unified nation, can fix our economy and move forward. So stop whining and get on the bus towards repair. (Even your Republican masters in DC know it's time as evidenced by Boehner's comments in the last 24 hours)

By the way, I am a lifelong centrist Democrat, and I employ....so what irrelevant comment were you making?

I have to think that Rubio brought more to the table than Romney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu-oFikerW8&feature=related
Murdoch is smirking, all the way to the bank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jy1KoHdTCA&feature=related
Even Rush let's us know he's in on the joke...

The most outraged elements of the electorate are being played like fiddles.
(Or kazoos, I can't really tell over the laughing young people.)

...it's banjo's

i do belive your right.

70% of US debt is held by domestic investors. China currently holds between 8 and 10% depending on who you ask....Keep telling lies, maybe someday you will actually believe them.

McMahon, you are right but our domestic investors are the Federal Reserve, intergovernmental holdings, pensions, mutual funds, state and local government, and banks and savings bonds. China, Japan and the UK are also in the top 10 when it comes to holding our debt. Out of all of them I believe only China has threatened to use debt as a weapon, correct? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bond-wars-chinese-advisor-calls-japanese-bond-dump There is some concern to be had there even if its only 8%-10%. It puts us directly at risk.

Ted,
While I admit, I fear China, it is for reasons removed from the debt problem.

That being said, the notion that China is going to walk in here and "take us over without firing a shot" is moronic at best, and a worst, a childish scare tactic. Most of these people commenting on "China Debt" have no real understanding of economics, they are just re-reporting what they hear on Fox, Rush, etc. All of whom don't want to fix the problems, they are already looking at the mid-terms hoping they can steal the Senate and create real gridlock. By only controlling the House, Repubs must start addressing bi-partisan solutions or they WILL lose the House in 2 years.

McMahon, I never said anything about China taking us over. That would never happen. That said I don't think it's a wise move to give them that kind of leverage over us.

Being in debt 16 trillion dollars, I think that is moronic and stupid but it seems to be what the majority of people want.
Neither party wants to work towards a real solution. 90% of the energy from both parties seems to be focused on making the other party look bad.

Ted,
I agree, the debt is the second most serious problem we are facing. Now is the chance for both parties to put down the sticks and work out a solution.

"Just so YOU know, I voted and campaigned my butt off for Obama the first time, I feel let down by what he's done these last four years."

I gather you didn't get that mystery date?

" I am entitled to be mad at the voters."
High opinion of yourself, I see.

" I'm entitiled to let go of my anguish and my opinion is as good as anyone else's, IT'S AMERICA!!!"
Mind if we watch - we brought Halloween candy.

"The only plan I've heard from the Democrats, is to tax the rich more."

You might want to read the unexpurgated version, in case their are some teensy-weensy omissions coming from your news source -G(F)O(X)P.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/07/19/senate-democratic-tax-plan-increases-revenue-by-28-billion-in-2013/

"Do the math people."
I'm so tired of someone that hasn't telling us that we should...

Be careful Jim L, Joe Sousa will think your a communist.

They probably call him a non-citizen because he initially refused to provide a long-form certified birth certificate plus claimed to be a foreigner. They probably call him a socialist because his policies (social justice, progressivism, etc) are socialistic in nature. They probably misuse the word fascist, as they often do. People frequently confuse a fascist leader with a leader who pushes his own agenda with totalitarian resolve and indifference to alternate ideas.

Why is it nobody ever asked Bush or Romney for their birth certificates?

Because neither of them previosly claimed to be foreign born? That's just a guess though.

Come on Bill, let's see the proof.
And please no "Birther" websites, I've had my fill of the crackpots this week

Wow, Bob....we actually agree. go figure

@Robert E - there's over 270 posts on this page; yours hits home. This needs to be a unified country if we want to continue to be a great country; sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but you cannot completely cut off the other side. You need to continue to have dialogue, negotiations, compromise. Good post.

Except that's totally ignoring all facts. You just pointed out that Romney's camp, which makes up slightly less than 50% of the country, doesn't exist. That's the reason the last mid-term elections were such a slap in the face for Dems. They refused to listen to the more than 50% of the country who said, "that's not what I want from my government." As such, they lost big time. Looking at the big picture, this election was more a status-quo than an upset. How has the balance changed? Back to the perspective you present, the 60s, 50s, 20s, and older times quite literally whitewashed over a lot of the depth and breadth of America. That said, they did represent a positive ideal held by at least 50%.

Bill,
I have to disagree. The RNC never looked at the national voter demographics. White male voters are disappearing. Hispanic, African-American, and women voters are rising. By not courting significant portions of our population makeup, the RNC looks out of touch. How do you sell taxbreaks for the rich to a population that isn't rich? Simple, you call them "Job Makers". But unlike the past, (2010 mids) it didn't work this time. The American people see record corporate profits, and no jobs. Then you use Romney as your posterchild for all this. A man who, on camera, admittied he liked firing people. This was your message? "Make me richer, I like firing people." "Corporations are people too." I don't see how this election was as close as it turned out to be.

J. Lane McMahon,
I'm not entirely sure you (or anyone) can say with any reasonable certainty, what the RNC was thinking, looking at, or trusting in. True, as a percentage of the population, minority voters are quickly headed towards majority voters. That said, my point was about the ideals held by the voters rather than the color of their skin. There are only two perspectives color doesn't matter or color does matter (aka, racism). Even if done with good intentions, skin-color based policies are still blatantly racist and divisive. It seems to me, the Democrats jumped at the chance to pander to minorities BECAUSE of the color of their skin, while Republicans continue to spread an ideal. At this point, I would like to state, for the record, I am neither. I disagree with the whole concept of party affiliation, as I think a Government should be made of individuals, not 2 contrarian parities. To complete the circle, the exclusionary perspected that you (and others) have about the Republicans is based on the words of individuals, media bias, Democrat talking points, etc. Some individuals are racist, gender biased, homophobic, etc. Most are not. People are generally good and want the same things out of life. THAT is my point. At least 50% (ish) of the country would be happy to have life (society) like it was in the 50s. Tell me how that's wrong?

Bill,
Just look at the RNC ad buys in Ohio. Predominately in white, affluent suburbs. Then look at how they fared demographically, Highest turnout? White Male Affluent.
Lowest turnout? African American 6%.
The RNC has a serious disconnect with America, even today, the RNC is now floating the idea that Hurricane Sandy cost them the election.

Ted,
As I understand it, Obama's plan calls for entitlement reform, tax code reform (loopholes) and deep spending cuts. All things that the RNC wants. Where he differs is the AMT. Taxing the rich is only one small part of the plan. But, John Boenher and the RNC leadership HAD taken an "Our way or not at all" approach. Now that the election is over, I think they will be more willing to deal, otherwise, they face more defeat in the mid-terms. We need a balanced approach to this problem. It's not class warfare, it's math.

You mean entitlement reform like he promised in 2008 by the end of his first term? http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/13/flashback-obama-promised-entitlement-reform-in-2008-debate/ Opps...

Both sides have been stubborn. Neither party seems to have an answer.

I mention the taxing the rich thing because it's one of the first items to appear on his website. http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/ Second sentence "Now, he’s working to simplify the tax code while asking millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share. " Seems important to him....

I'll say it again, as I have many, many times. The answer lies in compromise. Clinton was able to get things done because both he and a republican controlled congress were more centrist.
You point out that "taxing the rich" seems important. Isn't it? You must know that the tax code favors the rich, yes? Why do you think so many wealthy people were pulling for Romney? Because they care about America? By your own admission, is the rich don't like the tax structure, they leave. Obama is much more of a moderate than you believe, that's why he got into so much trouble the first 2 years in office, his base thought he was to right leaning.
Both parties, by way of this election, are being forced to the negotiating table. Which ever party chooses not to play nice, will lose in the mids..

You just wrote: "Taxing the rich is only one small part of the plan." and then "You point out that "taxing the rich" seems important. Isn't it?" You tell me, which is it???

The rich pay a larger share than anyone, how does that favor them? I guess we use different logic. If I got taxed 10% and you got taxed 40% I would say it favored me.

The rich voted for Romney because they thought it would be good for them? Damn, that is deep. I wonder if any of Obama's supporters voted for him because they thought he would be good for them? What is wrong with that???

Yes, the rich will leave, we agree on something. Could you explain how having money and people leave our country is a good thing? Please, please read this article. Adjusting tax rates for the wealthy is not going to make a difference in revenue. http://www.forbes.com/sites/larahoffmans/2012/07/31/tax-rates-and-the-great-fairness-debate/

Neither party is going to play nice. Both parties will be stubborn and try to paint the other party as the one that is being obstructionist.

Ok Ted,
Let's play with Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/2010/09/23/the-very-rich-are-different-they-pay-a-lower-tax-rate/

The Obama plan calls for 1.5 T in new taxes on the wealthy over the next ten years, coupled with spending cuts, and ending the Bush tax cuts, closing loopholes for corporations, and social program reform.

So please, you tell me, what part of this don't you like?

I don't like the part where it's fantasy. You just agreed with me that the rich will leave. That is what will happen. Read that article. Tax receipts are not affected by the tax rate. He'll has as much luck getting the 1.5 trillion from you personally as he will from the wealthy. But I do agree it sounds good and people will buy it.

I want to make sure I get this straight... The rich people in congress and going to change the rules so that rich people are worse off. Is that what you're saying? They are going to change the rules so that the people that pay for their campaigns (both parties) are worse off? If you believe that I don't know what to tell you.

Social program reform? He promised that his first term correct and didn't deliver did he? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

I would have voted for Clinton over Romney in a heartbeat. Obama? In my opinion the guy is a weasel. The actions of his administration have left people dead. If you owned a company and it sold guns to cartels and one of those guns was used to kill someone would you be in jail? In a heartbeat!!! Look at Bengahzi, imagine if that was your family member. Now it turns out that the Iranians shot at one of our planes and he kept that secret before the election. I just don't see him as Presidential material.

Ted.
I do not agree that the rich wil leave. That was your assertion, for the sake of argument, I am more than willing to concede it to you.

How about you answer my question. Where will these rich people go? Where will Jamie Dimon, Warren Buffet, The Bros. Koch, go? How much of the 1% will leave? And more importantly, how will they take their businesses with them? Are the Koch Brothers going to relocate their refineries somewhere else? Is Jamie Dimon going to make JP Morgan move? No. Their not going anywhere. Know why? Because our taxes on the rich are one of the lowest in the industrialized world. Wait, you mean Sheldon Adelson will pack up his casinos and leave? Hope he's got a Big moving van.
Any plan to fix our economy will be a multi-faceted solution.

"I don't like the part where it's fantasy."

Except for the part where you do -

"The actions of his administration have left people dead. If you owned a company and it sold guns to cartels and one of those guns was used to kill someone would you be in jail? In a heartbeat!!! Look at Bengahzi, imagine if that was your family member. Now it turns out that the Iranians shot at one of our planes and he kept that secret before the election. I just don't see him as Presidential material."

These are drones we're talking about - drones with cameras operating in territorial waters, inside the international boundaries accepted since the 17th century.

What response would be appropriate, if the Iranians drones flew over NYC? http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/588351/territorial-waters

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/08/map-where-was-the-drone-that-iran-tried-to-shoot-down/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/08/cnn-iran-drones-gulf

It's never about what Obama does with you, Dr. Seuss.
It's really all about who he is, innit?

Name, is Brian Terry dead because of the Obama administrations decisions? Did people in Bengahzi die? Nice job spinning...

McMahon, the money will leave. Can all the people leave? No. But those who can will. Those who can't will make sure their money is safe.

The rich people in congress are going to screw themselves over? Sure...

Ted, are you losing it?
Do you really think that any of our top 1 or 2 percenters are heading overseas? Really? Where? To Europe so they can pay 90% tax? China? Please tell me where they can go and protect their money and get citizenship. Remember, if your an American citizen you must pay taxes on all foreign earned income.

They are not going anywhere. Never were.

Joe-In case you didn't hear the results, you and your fellow TCC cronies were destroyed in the election, and there's no longer a need for you to spew your right wing garbage all over this website.

Now go and put your camo underoos in the laundry and clean those crumbs out of your beard!

Oh it was orchestrated mad. Listen to this and you will be amazed that Paul hit every single thing exactly as it would happen without exception.

Paul Harvey almost 50 years ago! http://stg.do/9LDc

Oh and keep in miond this was almost 50 years ago he said this. It still amazes me everytime I listen to it.

Jack, you might need to remind some of our younger listeners about Paul Harvey.
Maybe an explanation of radio, while you're at it.

Then you explain why we should listen to someone posting at 1:30pm weekdays?

Will there be new swill, Sir?

If not, we can just look into the bucket out back.
This stuff never gets any more rotten...

You are exactly right,mike...unfortunately.

That's a pretty broad swath you cut through public policy, Mikey.

How much "individual freedom and responsibility" did you have to give up, to post this at 3:30 in the afternoon, while I was at my J-O-B?

How much of your individual freedom (Social security) and responsibility
(Medicare) are my kids paying for?

It's only socialism to you cranks, when someone else cashes the check.

I thought the same thing back in 2004.

And I will always be confused about that whole Nixon thing.

I am with you RepubinRI. BUT: I think the man re-elected is NOT ignorant at all. He knows exactly what he wants to DO: And Now HE WILL. It is his sycophants who are ignorant.....OR... More likely.. THEY want what HE wants as well. You can see Who They Are on this forum. The distressingt part ....I was appalled at the comments HERE..... I had NO IDEA how TWISTED some of my neighbors are. I'm 71 years old.

You do understand that more than half the voting population thinks you're a pompous, pointless, pontificating PITA?

Go Galt, already.
We'll forward your mail.

John, you are exactly right. It was my mistake for writing he is ignorant himself. Hell, he went to Harvard he is far from ignorant. I was referring to the Obama-Biden administration. As for Naome, I honestly don't give, for lack of a better word, two shits what other people think of me. In fact, the only person who seems to care what others think is you, that's the reason you got so offensive when I insulted YOUR president . Also, I never said I liked Bush or Nixon, but Obama isn't a second coming of Jesus either.

Your Friend,
RepubinRI

"This election was about selfishness and personal gains from governement handouts, over the horrible record of Obama in his first term. " In your feeble, clueless opinion - given that you've made absolutely no references, Meh.

"Why are so many Obama voters more concerned with having goventment buy their contraceptives than their country?" That's a broad brush, don't you think?

Perhaps you don't know any Obama supporters. Perhaps you don't know that
contraceptives are used by young people that still have sex and don't want to raise intolerant pinheads? Read on...

"1% win is not a mandate, and 50 million people voted for Mitt Romney or against Obama. Hardly a mandate to be crowing about." It's been done before, with less.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015814.php

Give it a rest, Gramps.

عقله ضارب.بيضان

Getting into his mind of influence?? My Arabic is off a little.

zero and 120 on the speedometer. I like the 50-70 range.

Wonder why you weren't elected.

Why does this remind me of Palin/Couric all over again?

You forgot one - under no circumstances combine a laxative and sleeping pills.

http://www.amerika.org/social-reality/why-idiots-think-they-are-morally-superior-and-smarter-to-you/

I do the same then make my own decision. I vote the person and not the party.